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guys i have been on hrt for over 1 year . i am on 250 mg test c , 200 mg nandronone weekly and 1.2ml daily of hgh and 50mg of avavar daily . it doesnt seem that i am making any gains . any suggestions ? my diet is clean and my bf is around 9 % i would like to gain around 12 lbs . weigh in at 235 and i am 6ft 4in . is there anything i can request to add to my therapy to meet the gains i am looking for ?
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OK, you're 9% BF and have what some might consider the dream package for an HRT program, and your complaint is ... LOL ?? Is everything you're doing with a doctor script?Originally Posted by 40ish
You didn't mention anything on BW. Anything out of whack with your lab results? Also, no mention of AI, but with everything you got I presume you've got your E2 under control.
If everything is dialed in OK, then it's probably a matter of the diet, and checking your routine with the workouts. Maybe take a full inventory of your calories, including carb/fat/protein intake, then it may need tweaked. Let me know your thoughts.
Last edited by Vettester; 04-11-2010 at 08:57 PM.
Mr. Moderation
sounds like your in pretty good shape already...lil bigorexia huh...understand...like vettes said...u mention diet clean but if your not adding i would think calories are too low
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My god man!!! 250 Test, 200 Deca, 50 mg a day of Anavar, and HGH to boot; and your saying you can't make any gains? Your on a permanent cycle. If you can't make gains on this, I don't think adding anything to the mix will help. What is your total Test level?
Anabolic Member
Just to chime in, I give another vote on DIET.
Calories are too low.
How's bloodwork by the way?
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my bloodwork as of about two months ago my test levels were around 660 and my calorie intake is around 2500 do you think i should be around 3000 with the cals . also my workout levels are intense with 6 hours a week of cardio . somrtimes i feel i am overtraining . everything i am doing is doctor script . i am in the process of getting somr more results from my bloodwork as we speak . but the doc says everything seems good . as soon as i get i will post . thanks all for help so far ,
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235 lbs. and eating 2500 calories day, plus 6 hours of cardio a week in addition to lifting weights = not able to gain weight/possible over-training (like you said).
A lot depends on your metabolism and your BMR. At your bodyfat, I'm sure you want to stay at 9% and do a clean, slow bulk, so you can maintain that bodyfat percentage.
When I'm bulking, I cut the cardio down to low/moderate intensity (usually walking at a fast pace) and up my cals a bit. I don't want to tell you how much, because everybody is different and I don't know your body as well as you do.
You could try smaller steps first and see if it helps in putting on some lean muslce slowly. Maybe cut the cardio back a bit or keep the cardio up and up the cals.
Last edited by Black; 04-12-2010 at 09:33 PM. Reason: I spelled additon wrong and it was bugging me. Ugh!
Mr. Moderation
no pro here but i'd have to say HELL YEH...2500 calories r u kidding me...i dunno...wrong section to post similar to a cycle and diet questions actually...but just for casual convo just doesnt seem like enough groceries imo
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I'm no expert, but going to chime in with "diet" too. 2500 is too low for ME and I'm half your size dripping wet.
6'4", 235 lbs, 9% bf .. That sounds impressive to me already. I would love to see a picture of this.
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I've got a buddy right about your size and BF% too. He's hitting 4000 calories right now and training pretty intense. Jump your calories up, and make sure you get LOTS of protein. Check with some of the gurus in the diet section, but something in the range of 350g of protein might be what you're looking to achieve.
Anabolic Member
If you don't mind me asking, what were your stats before starting this TRT protocol?
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i dont mind you asking i started at about 18 % bf and weighd in at 250 lbs i have been lifting consistantly for 5 years off and on before that . vetteman that seems like alot of cals . but you might be right on . i was eating around 3500 cals three months ago and i was alot stronger but my stomach seemed to be bloated looking . i didnt feel bloated . i think i am going to talk to the diet gurus .
Anabolic Member
Pretty impressive man. If I could run that I would. I would love to have HGH on my protocol.
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