Low Dose Tren E Cycle?

[Thehitman747]

Hey, I am about to turn 26 and here is my current setup. Looking to run either the first of May, or the first of June.

Tren Enthanate -> 8 Weeks (2 Months) 1 Pin per week, 8 pins total

Products:
Tren Enthanate - To gain a goal of 10 pounds lean muscle, and maybe shred some stubborn bodyfat in the process.

Clomid - PCT, to help return my levels back to normal and get my natural test back in action.

Of course this isn't set in stone, I still need to add to this.

Cycle
Week 1 - Tren E 200MG Sunday
Week 2 - Tren E 200MG Sunday
Week 3 - Tren E 200MG Sunday
Week 4 - Tren E 200MG Sunday
Week 5 - Tren E 200MG Sunday
Week 6 - Tren E 200MG Sunday
Week 7 - Tren E 200MG Sunday
Week 8 - Tren E 200MG Sunday

Week 9 - Nothing (since apparently PCT should be taken after the long ester is almost out your system)

Week 10 - Clomid 300MG Sunday, 100MG the rest of the week (300/100/100/100/100/100/100)
Week 11 - Clomid 100MG Sun/Mon/Tues/Wed 50 MG rest of the week (100/100/100/100/50/50/50)
Week 12 - Clomid 50 MG Whole week. (50/50/50/50/50/50/50)


Any suggestions? Any major sides I don't have covered? (Besides Saw Palmetto for hairloss) I dont think I would need HCG unless I really needed my nut size back before PCT, which I can deal with.

And do I really need bromo at this low a dose for this short a time?

[cobra305]

that is a horrible cycle. what are your stats and cycle exp?

[Thehitman747]

Could you actually help out instead of bashing it bro?

But I did some more research and apparently I'll need a test base.

But wouldn't this be counterproductive, as I'll need a lot more on cycle? I've read somewhere that you want to limit the use of external compounds in your body.

So the new protocol on-cycle would be

Test E - 200 MG per week
Tren E - 200 MG per week

PLUS

Something to inhibit estrogen (from the added test)
Something to inhibit prolactin (this would be from the Tren)

One of the reasons I chose Tren over others in the first place was that it doesn't aromatize into estrogen.

Would 100 MG of test a week even need an AI since it's so low?

[Aizen Sosuke]

If you have never cycled then save the tren. Not because the sides are rough or you need a few cycles before but because you only need test to grow on your first go. A few cycles down the road you could use an explosive compound like tren to break through plateus. Post your stats and we will help you
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[Thehitman747]

I am 25

6 foot, 195, around 12% bodyfat

Cycle experience = none

I'm still stuck between test and tren because I'm worried about aromatization from test. Even with an AI or some Nolva, how much will Estrogen come into play during/after the cycle? Would Nolva eradicate it completely? If so, then yeah I probably will stick with test after doing more research.


However, I am looking for that super lean dry look, like so
http://bodyspace.bodybuilding.com/im...ic/2806741.JPG

I use Zyzz as an example because we basically have the same frame and height.
And he used Tren instead of Test.

So I'm wondering would Test help me achieve this? I reallly am aiming for the dry low bodyfat look and from what I've read test will make you retain water?



Edit: The worst side from Tren seems to be shutdown. I don't want to mess with HCG to be honest. So without Test and HCG, BUT with running a proper Clomid protocol for PCT, I would only be shut down for the entire cycle and until PCT has made it's effect, right? Without test and HCG I would still regain normal function? Having no sex during cycle and a month after is really no problem for me. I'm not saying I'm going to run Tren alone right now, but for future reference?

Thanks for the all the help man, I really appreciate it.

[Thehitman747]

Been reading up. Here is my updated cycle. Still not final. Damn, this is going to cost me a bit of money but I need to man up and just pay for it.

Tren Enthanate -> 6 Weeks 1 Pin/week
Testosterone Enthanate -> 8 Weeks 1 Pin/week

Products:
Tren Enthanate - To gain a goal of 10 pounds lean muscle, and maybe shred some stubborn bodyfat in the process.

Testosterone Enthanate - To keep test shutdown to a minimum while on cycle, help facilitate gains, LOW DOSE TO PREVENT AROMATIZING

Clomid - PCT, to help return my levels back to normal and get my natural Test back in action.

6-Bromo - To have on hand in case of prolactin sides.

Of course this isn't set in stone, I still need to add to this.

Cycle
Week 1 - Tren E 200MG / Test E 100MG Sunday (in one injection)
Week 2 - Tren E 200MG / Test E 100MG Sunday (in one injection)
Week 3 - Tren E 200MG / Test E 100MG Sunday (in one injection)
Week 4 - Tren E 200MG / Test E 100MG Sunday (in one injection)
Week 5 - Tren E 200MG / Test E 100MG Sunday (in one injection)
Week 6 - Tren E 200MG / Test E 100MG Sunday (in one injection)
Week 7 - Tren E 200MG / Test E 100MG Sunday (in one injection)
Week 8 - Tren E 200MG / Test E 100MG Sunday (in one injection)

Week 9 - Nothing (since apparently PCT should be taken after the long ester is almost out your system)

Week 10 - Clomid 300MG Sunday, 100MG the rest of the week (300/100/100/100/100/100/100)
Week 11 - Clomid 100MG Sun/Mon/Tues/Wed 50 MG rest of the week (100/100/100/100/50/50/50)
Week 12 - Clomid 50 MG Whole week. (50/50/50/50/50/50/50)


Note that this is definitely not final, just a template to build on. I already know enough to jump in, but definitely not enough to jump in to make the best of it, if that makes sense to you guys.

With only 100MG of test per week would I absolutely need Nolvadex while on cycle? Or would aromatization be little, if any?

[Coop77]

I doubt you're going to take the advice, but tren is really not for beginners. The side effects can be intense, and a long ester like enanthate means it'll take a while to wear off. There are beginners' cycles in the stickies, though I have a feeling you shouldn't be using steroids anyway.

[Aizen Sosuke]

First cycle should be test only as it is the base for all steroids and all your cycles to come. If you are worried about estrogen then run propionate at 100mg/eod along with arimidex at .25mg/day. That's a nice first cycle if your diet is set you should see some good gains. Stay away from tren until you know what you are doing.

[bdodge2]

The test dose at 100 ew is on the low end of a TRT dosage....most suggest 500/week for a first cycle and run on its own.

This is what I started with after numerous boards convinced me to do so. I am very glad I listened. Fat loss is cardio and Diet. The test allows you to remain in an anabolic state in a catabolic environment when you are cutting. You can cut or bulk on test....it just depends on how you configure your diet and cardio.

Don't get caught up in the estrogen sides etc. from test. Many dont even run AI's unless sides start. You are not going to bloat like a baloon, it's not like your running 1g of test and 600g of deca a week.

I have a full cycle worth of tren a sitting in waiting, as I ordered it thinking exactly as you are.

Why not look at t-bol (not d-bol) or Winny. You can kickstart the cycle with t-bol at 50 mg/day for 6 weeks, or back end it running it 2 weeks past the last injection of test and then start pct. You can do the same with Winny last 6 weeks.

Run milk thistle if your worried about your liver.

Look at adding Nolvadex (tamox)for your pct. It is far better at increasing test levels quicker then clomid. Most pct's run clomid and nolva.

[songdog]

The advice the guy is giving you is true.Tren is some great shit.But it can tear you up.For 1 it shuts your system down hard.This aint no joke.Go with test 1st.Do adex for estrogen.With tren you need caber or prami in case your tits start leaking.You need to read more and listen to the vets Bro.This aint no joke.

[JackyThunder]

I find the Tren enenthate to be fairly mild in terms of sides.... a little insomnia for the first night or two.. thats about it for me. =)