need help with possible gyno emergency!

[bencher420]

Im in my 4th week of prop only cycle 100mg EOD. Just started noticing soreness

in nipples and small lump under left nipple. chest pretty much looks the same in

the mirror. wife doesn't see any change. I'm tired as hell all the time and my sex

drive isn't out of control like it should be. I just got some letro, should have it by

tomorrow. Im kind of freaking out. don't know if I should stop cycle all together or

just run the letro. I have clomid for PCT but I do not have nova yet. What would you guys do?

[cherrydrpepper]

Ive never had it but personally would run letro and keep going

[bencher420]

I heard the letro kills your sex drive, is that only for the 5 or so days while you take it or for the rest of the 12 week cycle? do you defiantly need the nova to combat the possible rebound gyno coming off the letro or should just 5 days of letro and a 5 day taper off of letro be sufficient?

[bjohnson1968]

do you have any lump or just soreness...If its just sore i would go ahead with the letro at .25mgs a day until it subsides... if it startrs getting worse then up the dose and once its better I would try backing the dose down to eod...I would continue the letro throughout the rest of your cycle but mess with the dose until you have the minimum required to keep it in check

[bencher420]

I wouldn't say I really have any lumps, just soreness and puffiness... maybe a slight lump behind my left nipple but it's not super hard or anything more like fleshy if that makes any sense. I read on another post to run letro:
day 1 .50
day 2 1
day 3 1.5
day 4 2
day 5 2.5 and to stay on 2.5 till all gyno subsides and continue it for another 5 days than begin tapering it off. would you disagree? you think just .25 ED till it subsides than to .25 EOD? i've had the symptoms for about a week now and they don't seem to be getting worst,but they're not getting any better. do you think the letro will help with my lethargy? is that due to high estrogen levels as well? thanks for the feed back it goes much appreciated.

[AlphaGenetics]

I would order adex and nolva ASAP. You should have that on hand.

[bjohnson1968]

I wouldn't say I really have any lumps, just soreness and puffiness... maybe a slight lump behind my left nipple but it's not super hard or anything more like fleshy if that makes any sense. I read on another post to run letro:
day 1 .50
day 2 1
day 3 1.5
day 4 2
day 5 2.5 and to stay on 2.5 till all gyno subsides and continue it for another 5 days than begin tapering it off. would you disagree? you think just .25 ED till it subsides than to .25 EOD? i've had the symptoms for about a week now and they don't seem to be getting worst,but they're not getting any better. do you think the letro will help with my lethargy? is that due to high estrogen levels as well? thanks for the feed back it goes much appreciated.

What your outlining here is a gyno reversal...That's why I asked if you had a lump or just puffy...You can run your letro in this manner...is it necessary IDK
more than likely if you have no lump a maintenence dose will be ok
Its really up to you bro...just keep in mind letro is pretty harsh

Peace

[hektikk]

Bro, I'd love for you to tell me if your possible gyno starts to go away after u finish ur cycle

[juiceball88]

i started getting gyno symptoms read the sticky forums. i went with nolvadex cause didnt want to interupt my cycle or sex drive. im doing 40 mg nolva for 5 days then drop to 20 mg until symptoms go away. then 10mg till pct. its actually working for me. i would try that first. imo

[bencher420]

I would love to try the nova but I don't have any on hand. I never really had a problem in the past so I didn't keep any handy ( stupid mistake). I can't get any from my source cause there's a min order amount that I can't reach at this time. So that leaves me with letro which I should have in hand today. Is a certain amount of puffiness normal on a test only cycle? it doesn't seem to be getting worst. Is there anything I can do to combat the lack of sex drive from letro? is my sex drive shot till the end of PCT if I start the letro? sorry about the numerous questions

[Forbidden16]

Hey, there's a source on the top of these boards "AR-R" that is supposed to be very quick at delivery and they have Nolva/Clomid/Letro as research chemicals, you should look into that ASAP. I personally have a friend who ordered his Clomid from them.

[redz]

Letro is over kill, you should have just got some aromasin or adex to run at a low dose on cycle. Also your pct is not strong enough either.

[bjohnson1968]

Letro is over kill, you should have just got some aromasin or adex to run at a low dose on cycle. Also your pct is not strong enough either.

letro is not necessarily overkill if its dose controlled...its what the op has ordered

[bencher420]

well it's defiantly gyno there's no doubt in my mind. my nipple is puffy as a bitch. my newborn daughter tried to latch on today for her noon time feeding. gonna start the letro tomorrow as outlined earlier in the post. It might be over kill but it's better than having titties. i'll have nova by next week to start if and when the gyno subsides. hoping my sex drive doesn't slow down. wish I just had the armdex or nova to start. i'm a jackass

[dock holliday]

From the research I've gathered, once gyno starts, use Tamoxifen 40/30/20/10 (throughout the last weeks). thats weeks1, 2, 3, 4 etc...

To prevent it, run arimidex 0.5mg e.o.d.

[bencher420]

What your outlining here is a gyno reversal...That's why I asked if you had a lump or just puffy...You can run your letro in this manner...is it necessary IDK
more than likely if you have no lump a maintenence dose will be ok
Its really up to you bro...just keep in mind letro is pretty harsh

Peace

just a quick question for bjohnson1968 you stated in your post earlier that letro is pretty harsh. I know it stops all estrogen,kills your sex drive and may minimize possible gains. was wondering if you could just elaborate more on "harsh" is there other sides I should be considering. Thanks for your input it's been a big help.

[bjohnson1968]

just a quick question for bjohnson1968 you stated in your post earlier that letro is pretty harsh. I know it stops all estrogen,kills your sex drive and may minimize possible gains. was wondering if you could just elaborate more on "harsh" is there other sides I should be considering. Thanks for your input it's been a big help.

no you pretty much got it... for me I prefer letro adex did nothing once gyno was present andnolva did not assist in the reversal( i probably didnt give it long enough) letro worked fine for me if you can keep the dose under control
If you dont have a lump and its just puffy I wouldnt up the dose unless you dont see results as far as sex drive your cycling so theres a good chance the test will offset any libido issues and again with gains if you can control the dose you"ll be fine

Good Luck

[bencher420]

no you pretty much got it... for me I prefer letro adex did nothing once gyno was present andnolva did not assist in the reversal( i probably didnt give it long enough) letro worked fine for me if you can keep the dose under control
If you dont have a lump and its just puffy I wouldnt up the dose unless you dont see results as far as sex drive your cycling so theres a good chance the test will offset any libido issues and again with gains if you can control the dose you"ll be fine

Good Luck

You know what I was gonna do the reversal protocol but after giving it some thought I think i'm gonna take your advice and just do the .25 mgs a day and take it from there. I got the letro today it's 2.5 mgs in a 30ml vial. it looks like it's suspended in oil. there are some small white particles floating around in it. should I just draw up .1 ml and ingest it or should I heat it up to dissolve the particles. Any special considerations ingesting this stuff..day,night,with food, or doesn't matter? thanks again

[redz]

Letro can kill sex drive even at tiny doses it really isn`t ideal for anything other than gyno reversal and in most cases it will drastically hinder gains due to the lack of estrogen in the system.