Sustanon & Deca Cycle

[kenny1022]

I was wondering if anyone could provide any advice for the following cycle:

Weeks 1 - 10: 250mg of sustanon and 200mg of deca twice a week = 500mg of sustanon & 400mg of deca (combining both sustanon and deca in the same syringe)

PCT 3 weeks later:
Nolva (40/40/20/20)
Clomid (100/50/50/50)

Stats:
5' 7"
160 lbs
31 years
12% body fat

Thanks!

Ken

[CMB]

How many previous cycles have successfully completed?

[kenny1022]

One 10-week sustanon cycle - 500mg a week, same PCT as my previous post.

[CMB]

One problem that jumped out at me when I reviewed this is that its only a ten week cycle. When using deca you should be on it for AT LEAST 12 weeks.

I would run an AI on cycle too. I suggest running letro to combat the high water retention with deca.

IMO, and others may agree/disagree, I would run testosterone with this cycle, and continue it for two weeks after you're done administering deca.

Example cycle:
Testosterone E 500mgs a week (weeks 1-14)
Deca 400 mgs a week (weeks 1-12)
AI: Letro .25mgs-.5mgs a day

Due to deca having a high suppression rate I would include hcg with your clomid and nolva. I for one can testify for this.

Any questions?

[Angel of death]

i really dont think it needs to be run for at least 12 weeks. maybe 12 weeks is optimal, but if youre gonna stamp an "at least" on it....10 is fine

[Tyler694]

If you choose to run deca I would definitely go with a single ester test (cyp or enanth).

Your blood levels will be a roller-coaster and your libido will be wrecked only pinning that sust 2x/wk.

[CMB]

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[CMB]

i really dont think it needs to be run for at least 12 weeks. maybe 12 weeks is optimal, but if youre gonna stamp an "at least" on it....10 is fine

Nope, 12 weeks in minimal.

[HawaiianPride.]

There is no golden rule for Deca as far as duration. At least 10 weeks, preferably 12+ would be ideal. Anything below 10 weeks simply won't be as effective, that's it. I can attest to it's benefits at 10 weeks of this 19nor with superb results. Given your diet and training are spot on, it won't disappoint. You'll just notice more with a longer duration. It's not like it won't work at 10 weeks.

To the OP, even at your height, you are a bit on the light side. If you end up running the cycle, be aware of 19nor and the side effects it gives. Be prepared to combat anything before hand. Prevention is better then anything. If you run an AI, use something that won't kill nearly 100% of your estrogen. You need some type of E for a successful cycle. Letro should be used as A LAST RESORT. I've said this about 5 times today alone. Exe or Dex will be effective enough.

If you have any questions feel free to PM me.

[CMB]

God damnit, people just don't know anymore.

Deca's water retention is through the roof, you need a powerful AI. Im not prone to gyno, or other estrogen related sides, but stane didn't even do it for me. Letro will, however. Not as a last resort.

Jesus, educate, read the profiles, ect.

[Matt]

There is no golden rule for Deca as far as duration. At least 10 weeks, preferably 12+ would be ideal. Anything below 10 weeks simply won't be as effective, that's it. I can attest to it's benefits at 10 weeks of this 19nor with superb results. Given your diet and training are spot on, it won't disappoint. You'll just notice more with a longer duration. It's not like it won't work at 10 weeks.

To the OP, even at your height, you are a bit on the light side. If you end up running the cycle, be aware of 19nor and the side effects it gives. Be prepared to combat anything before hand. Prevention is better then anything. If you run an AI, use something that won't kill nearly 100% of your estrogen. You need some type of E for a successful cycle. Letro should be used as A LAST RESORT. I've said this about 5 times today alone. Exe or Dex will be effective enough.

If you have any questions feel free to PM me.

Just be careful here, we like to keep everything in open forum, this enables us all to learn from eachother..

[Xtralarg]

Nope, 12 weeks in minimal.

Sorry but I have to disagree with what you say about deca and the length of time it HAS to be run is a minimal of 12 weeks, everyone reacts differently and therefore should use whatever protocol works for them. Personally whatever aas I use, and yes that includes deca I am done at the 6 week mark....no matter what I do my gains are complete and its time for PCT. I have worked with other BB's who react the same and some who react differently, therefore I would never tell anyone that thay HAVE to run a compound for 12+ weeks, especially a 19nor!

Its good to share advise and you experiences but we should err on the side of caution when the is no definitive answer.

[Angel of death]

thank you xtralarg

[jeffefrijoles]

Stay away from Letro - Jesus. Arimidex works just fine. Letro will kill almost ALL estorgen and you will get sides from that - not to mention lack of sex drive (even while on test). You want some estrogen, so Arimidex is always the better choice.

[HawaiianPride.]

God damnit, people just don't know anymore.

Deca's water retention is through the roof, you need a powerful AI. Im not prone to gyno, or other estrogen related sides, but stane didn't even do it for me. Letro will, however. Not as a last resort.

Jesus, educate, read the profiles, ect.

Right. To each his own buddy. And please, don't tell me I need to educate, read profiles, ect. I know my shit bro. Others here will attest to this. So please, understand the fact that everyone reacts differently as far as dosages, durations, you name it. To tell everyone on countless threads that a minimum of 12 weeks on Deca it's a waste? That's bullshit, plain and simple.

Just be careful here, we like to keep everything in open forum, this enables us all to learn from eachother..

Duly noted bro. From now on, it'll be open discussion for the benefits of others to review and learn.

Sorry but I have to disagree with what you say about deca and the length of time it HAS to be run is a minimal of 12 weeks, everyone reacts differently and therefore should use whatever protocol works for them. Personally whatever aas I use, and yes that includes deca I am done at the 6 week mark....no matter what I do my gains are complete and its time for PCT. I have worked with other BB's who react the same and some who react differently, therefore I would never tell anyone that thay HAVE to run a compound for 12+ weeks, especially a 19nor!

Its good to share advise and you experiences but we should err on the side of caution when the is no definitive answer.

Spot on.

thank you xtralarg

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Stay away from Letro - Jesus. Arimidex works just fine. Letro will kill almost ALL estorgen and you will get sides from that - not to mention lack of sex drive (even while on test). You want some estrogen, so Arimidex is always the better choice.

Completely agree.