T-450 & Dbol Stack help! pleasseeee

[Get BIG!]

Am 260lb & am pretty muscular.. I've never went on steroids ever in my life until now. So

I picked this up from a guy thats Freaky big thats worked out at the gym for yearsss.



He swore that this stuff was the best test man could buy. He only sold to me cause hes seen me in there for years hitting it hard. i knew anyways that hes sold some pretty good stuff to some guys i knew & they looked great. This is my first cycle & i've been told by him to take 2 cc's of this stuff a week. But hes guy freaky big.. Am not sure if he told me the recommended dosage of what he would take.

I also picked these up
50mg dbol


I know enough about dbol & decided to split the pill & take 25mg a day. Still not sure if i should do that for 5 or 7 days tho.

How should i or how would you stack these 2. My first Time but am a big guy

[Knockout_Power]

NO FCUKING WAY!!!.... Im so gald you came on here first before starting. 2cc of that test is 900mg/wk which is twice what is recommended for a first cycle. Im guessing test at that dosage (450/mL) is going to be pretty painful, most is dosed at 200 or 250/mL.

Your 25mg.day dbol is fine, but no point using for only a week, 3-4 weeks is the sweet spot, just in time for the long esters in your test to kick in.

[Get BIG!]

NO FCUKING WAY!!!.... Im so gald you came on here first before starting. 2cc of that test is 900mg/wk which is twice what is recommended for a first cycle. Im guessing test at that dosage (450/mL) is going to be pretty painful, most is dosed at 200 or 250/mL.

Your 25mg.day dbol is fine, but no point using for only a week, 3-4 weeks is the sweet spot, just in time for the long esters in your test to kick in.

thanks so much. So let me ask you.. After my 4 weeks is up & i go off for 4. Should i start it back up again using 2cc.?

& btw.. yes it is painful.. but a tuff

[Knockout_Power]

thanks so much. So let me ask you.. After my 4 weeks is up & i go off for 4. Should i start it back up again using 2cc.?

& btw.. yes it is painful.. but a tuff

ok, now I really think you should not run this cycle. If you think you will see gains in 4 weeks then you are wasting your money, time and a lot of pain for nothing. Do some reading in the profiles section and you will understand more about this cycle. Two of the esters in your blend are long acting esters which take minimum 4 weeks to start showing results. (Enan and Cyp)

[glennyo1981]

thanks so much. So let me ask you.. After my 4 weeks is up & i go off for 4. Should i start it back up again using 2cc.?

& btw.. yes it is painful.. but a tuff

your not going 4 weeks on and 4 off or u might be on ur way to hrt...meaning your body doesnt produce shit for natural test. do a 10 week or 12 week cycle. read the section on post cycle therapy because you need it to get ur natural test back up.... i would only do 2 shots of .5 cc a week. some people might not agree and tell you to break it up into more shots cuz the prop in the test, thats just what i would do

[Get BIG!]

ohh no.. We misunderstood, I am staying on. I meant after i completed my first month. I would go off Then pop back on.

My question was after i do 1cc a week for 4 weeks. Once i go off & then return back on should i go to 2cc's since i finished the first cycle?

[Knockout_Power]

I picked this up from a guy thats Freaky big

And this is usually the thing that gets most novice users in trouble. These guys have forgotten what its like to be a first timer.

[Knockout_Power]

Hell no... you cant run a 4 weeks cycle, you need to take this test up to 10 weeks to get the results. Where did you get this 4 on 4 off thing? Some of the VERY experienced Vet's use a huge blasting method, but you are not there yet as most users would not know how to do something that heavy.

run 10 weeks minimum, 12 for full results or dont bother.

[Get BIG!]

Hell no... you cant run a 4 weeks cycle, you need to take this test up to 10 weeks to get the results. Where did you get this 4 on 4 off thing? Some of the VERY experienced Vet's use a huge blasting method, but you are not there yet as most users would not know how to do something that heavy.

run 10 weeks minimum, 12 for full results or dont bother.

I'll take all the advice i can take. thanks again for helping me.

Ok i'll run 1cc of the test a week for 10 weeks & run a 4 week on & 4 week off for the Dbol.. That sound aight?

Btw i got this milk thistle.. IS this the best for helping the liver..

thx again lov this forum : ) feels like home

[newb23]

I'm just curious, what does ur pct look like?

[Knockout_Power]

milk thistle is great for liver protection while on harsh oral like dbol, but dont bother cycling the dbol on and off. You use it to kickstart your cycle while the test takes a couple weeks to kick in. If you keep with the dbol, you wont like the bloated look bro, not great for the summer.

[newb23]

Again what is ur plan for a pct, and no don't do four weeks on and off of the dbol, just run it four weeks to jumpstart your cycle, if u have a proper pct, which I am doubting right now, u can run dbol through ur pct to help retain gains, so tell us ur plans for ur pct please

[glennyo1981]

Again what is ur plan for a pct, and no don't do four weeks on and off of the dbol, just run it four weeks to jumpstart your cycle, if u have a proper pct, which I am doubting right now, u can run dbol through ur pct to help retain gains, so tell us ur plans for ur pct please

u just told him he can run dbol through his pct???

[newb23]

That is what I have researched, I will elaborate after I get his pct, but from what I have heard and researched running dbol around 10 mg ED for last 2 weeks and through a proper pct will help retain gains, is this wrong? I will go back and research but I'm pretty sure it says that

[glennyo1981]

ive never heard it... i wouldnt think its right but lets see what the pros say

[Get BIG!]

That is what I have researched, I will elaborate after I get his pct, but from what I have heard and researched running dbol around 10 mg ED for last 2 weeks and through a proper pct will help retain gains, is this wrong? I will go back and research but I'm pretty sure it says that

You guys are great. thanks a million

Pct is a safety measurement right. I think its a setup of what to take to help with effects & sides of AAS.. damn am a noob. Anyways if am right this is where am at.

Age: 29
Weight: 258 { Just weighted a sec ago}
Height: 6'0"
BF: 18% { I think }


Am running

T-450 for 10 weeks 1cc a week
Dbol 25mg a day for _? weeks

I wanted to mess with some Ai's when i find out what it is... Lol & {Serm} Nolvadex. & later when i can afford it Hcg with that Nolv. I also wanted to take a {Ri} Proscar.. Hows this sound.. Am i making sense. I tried reading other blogs to get a idea for what this stuff is..

thanks & hows this all sound.. Is this a pct? whats the best time to take this stuff for the pct;...? {{School me Please}}

I need it bad.. Lol also Dbol threw pct?

thanks & love you guys

[newb23]

At glennyo, I would post the link but its hard cus I'm on my phone internet, but I read it on this site, go to steroid profiles and under dianabols profile it says this, and at OP, yes that is a PCT, word of advice, before starting a cycle make sure u have everything u need, including pct, just in case something comes up and u can't get them (happened to me once, lost all my gains), and nolvadex and clomid are good, hcg is good, but I haven't used hcg due to the fact that I can't find it, so just clomid and nolvadex are fine, u might only need one of them, wait for the excperts to chime in

[newb23]

Oo and start pct two weeks after last injection

[Get BIG!]

ok.. Waiting on experts to chime in .. do this sound ok what am shooting for.. Any more recommends?

[Knockout_Power]

I would have to see some serious documentation about dbol during PCT. Dbol shuts you down, thats the opposite of what you are doing the PCT for.

Big: dbol @ 25ED for 4 weeks. Head over to the PCT threads and read up on a basic PCT. Clomid, nolva and get the doses.

[matt77]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=355742 read this!!

Theres all the info you need for a basic understanding. You should have researched this out before you started so you know what your putting in your body and how it will affect you. A PCT is a must not optional. Run the Dbol the first 4 weeks and save the rest for next time. Read up and ask questions about concerns you have after a little self education.

[newb23]

I will post the link when I get home, it says at 10mg doesn't affect ur natural production that much, and wouldn't mhurt pct, go back to the forums home page and click on steroid profiles, then dianabols, it sayd there

[newb23]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=199829

[Knockout_Power]

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=199829
In order to successfully bridge between cycles (and this means using a low dose of AAS…in this case dbol), you need to recover your natural hormonal levels to pre-cycle levels or to within acceptable parameters, and then you start your next cycle. The idea here is that you won’t lose any gains, but rather a low dose of an AAS will help you maintain them. Typically, you’d use around 10mgs/day of dbol and combine it with an aggressive Post-Cycle Therapy (PCT) course of Nolvadex (and/or Clomid) and HCG. This would give you full androgen replacement from the Dbol and a shot at recovering your natural hormonal levels via the other stuff you are taking. Remember, the 100mg/day dose of dbol in the study we looked at earlier did not suppress Test, LH, or FSH to a degree that would make recovery impossible…and certainly not with 1/10th that dose in conjunction with an aggressive PCT.

but he is not bridging, that is a guideline to bridging between cycles. I would not recommend it while trying to recover to come off AAS for an extended period of time. An interesting thought none the less

[newb23]

ok, that makes sense, i was going to try this idea in my next ccle, but i am waiting to get my natural weight up before. Does anybody think it is a good idea to run the dbol at 10 mg ED through the PCT or would it be a waist

[glennyo1981]

i would still be a lil iffy about that

[Big]

don't run steroids while on pct

[newb23]

Well that answers my question very well, thank you big