Small Doses for long periods?

[GauitoNarshe]

Hello to all my hard working individuals out there, I am new to the site. Been reading lots of threads until deciding to join. Very good info in here.

I am 25 years old. 150. Small Framed American-Mexican who recently just graduated in Exercise Science. In my studies I have learned this, a person can be healthy after a prolonged period of steroid/supplement use. But, it is a lifestyle. Not a small period that will end permanent. Well, because we cannot change our DNA.
In our practices at my colleges, while working with the athletic dept. we tell our athletes, the ones on supplements that they do work...how long? well, how much money u got...that's kinda that motto for vitamin n GNC shops.

When it comes to steroids, we say, do not ask us because we can't say they are not beneficial, but we cannot tell you to do them.

Since pretty much every professional athlete out there is on them, and watched by their trainers, and our countries demand for the biggest and the best, it is very hard for our athletes to NOT want them.

I was looking for insight for myself when it comes to small doses. I am a natural athlete, very flexible, very healthy, blood-work and cholesterol levels always great, but I am a small framed male.

For the last 8-10 years I have not changed much besides when my genetics have allowed. Up until last year, I had no facial hair. I work out very intense with weights and cardio-resp outputs. I train with my older brother who teaches MMA-not my area of interest, but its a great workout-
Environmentally active -hiking, mtn. climbing, etc-
I previously participated in a Dead-lifting competition and took 3rd place for my weight class.
I do not drink weekly, tobacco free, and my diet is well.

But I am STILL asked frequently, "do you workout still?" . Or seen as, "You havn't changed a bit." Well that doesn't bother me when it comes time to prove it with my fellow Larger acquaintances in the gyms.

But just for myself, I have begun taking a small dose of 75mg of Cypio every 13 days for the last 26 days. I don't wanna exceed pass 125mg in its lifetime in my body. I am not a bodybuilder, or a athlete that needs size. But it has impacted my mass in my arms (finally) a good deal.

My question is, what is your take on a longer period at this dose instead of cycling it? Would any of you think it is a waste of time or have any exp on a negative side to this?

Books do not fill in the gaps of personal experience

Thank you for any and all inputs.

[G4R]

I am surprised you are getting results at that low dosage of cyp, every two weeks. That seems lower than even someone on HRT.

You said your diet is well... what does 'well' mean?

You dont want to get bigger, but you do want results... what are you exact goals?

[GauitoNarshe]

It is very low, and I was actually thinking "PLACEBO" ??
But like I said, I am very small and already know what my peak of genetics will lead me to in the next 5 years, since I have not had much of a growth spur since I was 15.

My diet consists of all the food groups needed before consuming my extras since I do workout consistently and will be needing the extra energy to supply to my recoveries and pre-workouts. With the addition of Cyp I will make an extra intake of 500 calories daily.

My intake is in this order from largest to smallest : Carbohydrates/Fats/Proteins
the added addition can be either a fast food intake, to cashews throughout the day.

My goals are to get bigger, in a way that's would not be outside my bodies boundaries, and I'm sure the dose taken controls the amount that is able to grow my body. I would like to know that Small doses are really beneficial until the risk of addiction to Need more to grow more, is true.

exact goal- I would like to weigh 168 , be able to keep my health levels (cholesterol, BP) where they are...

Basically, Can I do this for a long period of time while being healthy and it still being beneficial at 125mg? If no, how long on, how long off?

My doctor will be monitoring my blood-work and all that good stuff frequently since I work with him. In his head, he feels "I could be prescribed test for hormone therapy" if I wanted to.

Experiences similar to my question would probably be the best way to answer my NOT so type of question; that is why I have posted this thread, but what is your take at this dose just knowing what you know?

[Noles12]

It is very low, and I was actually thinking "PLACEBO" ??
But like I said, I am very small and already know what my peak of genetics will lead me to in the next 5 years, since I have not had much of a growth spur since I was 15.

My diet consists of all the food groups needed before consuming my extras since I do workout consistently and will be needing the extra energy to supply to my recoveries and pre-workouts. With the addition of Cyp I will make an extra intake of 500 calories daily.

My intake is in this order from largest to smallest : Carbohydrates/Fats/Proteins
the added addition can be either a fast food intake, to cashews throughout the day.

My goals are to get bigger, in a way that's would not be outside my bodies boundaries, and I'm sure the dose taken controls the amount that is able to grow my body. I would like to know that Small doses are really beneficial until the risk of addiction to Need more to grow more, is true.

exact goal- I would like to weigh 168 , be able to keep my health levels (cholesterol, BP) where they are...

Basically, Can I do this for a long period of time while being healthy and it still being beneficial at 125mg? If no, how long on, how long off?

My doctor will be monitoring my blood-work and all that good stuff frequently since I work with him. In his head, he feels "I could be prescribed test for hormone therapy" if I wanted to.

Experiences similar to my question would probably be the best way to answer my NOT so type of question; that is why I have posted this thread, but what is your take at this dose just knowing what you know?

This is why you dont grow in bold. You should stop taking the test and read up on diet

[G4R]

Probably is placebo considering cyp is a long ester, and most people will not see affects of it until around the 5th week of use (and that is someone using around 400mg+ a week).

Look, genetics do play a big role in your ability to get bigger, but, that does not mean you are limited at where you are right now on them. If your doctor is talking about possible HRT, then he first needs to run blood tests to see what your test levels are at naturally. That low of a dosage, and the time inbetween injections is pointless.

Do me a favor, go to our diet section and post up your diet (macros included) and let them critique it for you. Try the new diet and see what happens.

[GauitoNarshe]

Really? that long at that high? Wow. OK, I think I will do that with my current diet. Again, I am not a bodybuilder that is needing to be exact from my micros to macros ( I honestly don't calculate anything outside of what I need to do to prevent unwanted Fat pockets)

I would assume I work out more then I should since I'm constantly with our athletes. My genetics aren't bad, but for at least 10 years of my workout career, there is not much change.
I did get my blood-work done to my test production and my "PENILE to Testes" inspection a while back when he had told me this, but, as my friend and someone who I work with...their levels have high standards and anyone can basically get them with the right story/problem.

But I thank you for your input I will do some reading on more in depth diets.

[G4R]

Really? that long at that high? Wow. OK, I think I will do that with my current diet. Again, I am not a bodybuilder that is needing to be exact from my micros to macros ( I honestly don't calculate anything outside of what I need to do to prevent unwanted Fat pockets)

I would assume I work out more then I should since I'm constantly with our athletes. My genetics aren't bad, but for at least 10 years of my workout career, there is not much change.
I did get my blood-work done to my test production and my "PENILE to Testes" inspection a while back when he had told me this, but, as my friend and someone who I work with...their levels have high standards and anyone can basically get them with the right story/problem.

But I thank you for your input I will do some reading on more in depth diets.

Yes, but remember, it is a long ester. 400mg a week or 1000mg a week, it will not shorten the ester.

Start a new diet first. Dont jump into the steroids yet. You need to see how your body will react to the change in diet. Monitor your results. Do some more research.

Just hold off of the steroids right now.

[hugoboss]

Least amount of proteins..! More protein less carbs. If youre skinny 2grams of protein per pound of body weight is a go place to start. Check out the diet section you will learn alot and in turn you can gain alot..

[GauitoNarshe]

Least amount of proteins..! More protein less carbs. If youre skinny 2grams of protein per pound of body weight is a go place to start. Check out the diet section you will learn alot and in turn you can gain alot..

I understand proteins are needed for growth, recovery and repair, but to operate the way I do I must digest a greater amount of carbs and fats for energy/calories

Proteins are often misunderstood and overused in my opinion. I have taken Wheys and have eaten more protein infused foods -but I noticed my shit was larger, and more frequent...I have taken Vitamins also, and noticed my piss was hi liter yellow and more frequent.

My take on it? I am pissing and shitting away the things my body says "Enough of this, and this, this can go, this stays, this go's, we got enough of that so that can leave too."

My opinion. I will read into diets more as suggested and try and combine this with my studies to reach my goal.

Thank you both.

[Noles12]

I understand proteins are needed for growth, recovery and repair, but to operate the way I do I must digest a greater amount of carbs and fats for energy/calories

Proteins are often misunderstood and overused in my opinion. I have taken Wheys and have eaten more protein infused foods -but I noticed my shit was larger, and more frequent...I have taken Vitamins also, and noticed my piss was hi liter yellow and more frequent.

My take on it? I am pissing and shitting away the things my body says "Enough of this, and this, this can go, this stays, this go's, we got enough of that so that can leave too."

My opinion. I will read into diets more as suggested and try and combine this with my studies to reach my goal.

Thank you both.

Post up your diet with macros. From there we can help because im sorry but unless you are under 5 feet tall your natural limit is going to be higher than 150. Coming from a small background does not mean you are quaranteed to be small

[Fetch]

75mg every 2 weeks will do more harm than good. You risk shutting your natural production down, with all of the associated risks, for no benefit. Also, 150 is incredibly small, depending on your height. I'm certain that with some diet advice, you could easily gain size naturally.

[Big]

the average adult male produces the equivalent of approximately 7mg per day of testosterone, which would be 91mg every 13 days. when you factor in that 75mg of Testosterone Cypionate is not pure test, but rather part of the 75mg will be ester, you are suppressing your natural test production to use a much lower level than you should have naturally. even if placed on TRT through a doc that is a rather modest dose, I would consider a second opinion.

[CMB]

the average adult male produces the equivalent of approximately 7mg per day of testosterone, which would be 91mg every 13 days. when you factor in that 75mg of Testosterone Cypionate is not pure test, but rather part of the 75mg will be ester, you are suppressing your natural test production to use a much lower level than you should have naturally. even if placed on TRT through a doc that is a rather modest dose, I would consider a second opinion.

Agreed. Unless, however, you are on of the unforunate males that only produce 2.5mgs a day. Then I think it might be acceptable. I would still go with a higher dose. Like 150-200mgs.

[G4R]

the average adult male produces the equivalent of approximately 7mg per day of testosterone, which would be 91mg every 13 days. when you factor in that 75mg of Testosterone Cypionate is not pure test, but rather part of the 75mg will be ester, you are suppressing your natural test production to use a much lower level than you should have naturally. even if placed on TRT through a doc that is a rather modest dose, I would consider a second opinion.

Very good point. I didn't think about that.

[Pac Man]

I understand you bro, your an athlete carbs and fat are more important to an endurance athlete than protein. That being said, if you want to bulk up you need to change your diet First carbs protein fat. Endurance athletes naturally have lower testosterone, you probably already know that.
Your dose of cyp is way too low for anyone. You really shouldn't mess with aas until you understand them fully.