Stalled on Cutting - Help pls!!!

[bdodge2]

Started cutting 3 weeks ago, I dropped from 224 - 212, 17% - 11%. Running clen 2 weeks on 1 week off with ketofin on the week off to uprate beta 2 receptors. 50mg t3 ed to offset tren t3 reduction. Cycle is 125 sust250 eod and 75 tren eod. Just started winny 50 ed this week. I am 6'1" and 40 yrs.
Surprisingly I have gone from 212-215 this week with no diet change. It is driving me nuts...I want to get to 205 and single digets.

Diet:
8am
myofusion shake, flax meal, fish oil -
Greens+

10:30 am
1/2 cup steel cut oats
4-6 oz protien
2 cups greens
or
2 eggs/8 egg whites 2 cups spinach plus oats

11:30 - protein shake
1-2 cups greens
or
4 oz protien, chicken, fish, beef
2 cups greens


1:30-2 Post workout Shake - Iso protein
or 6-8 oz protien
1/2 cup steel cut oats or low GI carb. yams etc

4pm
1/4 cup almonds
1-2 cup greens ie broccolli peas, beans,
4 oz protein

6:30 pm
6-8 oz protein
2 cups mixed greens
1 tbls olive oil
sometimes - 1 cup low gi carb ie yams, quinoa,

9:30 pm
casien protien shake
1 tbls almond butter
1 tbls fish oil

This usually works out to around 2250 cal per day split 40pro/20-25 carb/35-40% fat 220-230 g protien, 110-125g carbs, 90-95g fat

I have just changed workout routines to a EDT type....increased volume and HIT for better calorie burn. I also usually have 30 min cardio post workout or 45-50 min later in the day.

I can't figure the stall out...if my baseline is 3180 (212 x 15) then to loose 2 lb per week I am at 2180 per day. Adding in 500-600 cal of excercise 5 days a week, so eating even 2500 - 2700 cal per day I should be loosing at least 2lb per week if not more.
Even if I ate my baseline and then added excercise I would be at 1lb per week lose, not gains.
Should I cut the fat% down?????
Adjust macros?
My rational for timing is carbs early with no fats, fats later with protein, tones of fiber, limited sugar all to balance insulin and energy levels and fuel mid day workout.
Could it just be the start of the Winny? I would have thought it to help in the cutting.
Thoughts pls - THANKS

[bdodge2]

someones gotta have something to chime in on!!!

[bigslick7878]

Why are you using keto and taking off a week?

When you use keto you can take clen straight through, that is the reason you add it.

[Cousinbutch]

Whats your water intake?
Also you might not be eating enough in my opinion, especially protein. Unless you don't care about keeping muscle mass, you really didn't specify your goals.

A couple quick things:

Switch meals one and two

move the carbs in the 6:30 meal to earlier in the day, should keep the fibrous carbs for night/less active periods.

What vegetables are you calling greens?

Watch these videos http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=323516 and take notes, working awesome for me.

Stop worrying about the scale and start worrying about the mirror.

Also, an ECA stack is cheap and effective, in my opinion.

[bdodge2]

few answers...
I run clen 2 on 1 off with keto on the week off as my beta receptors are fd up from taking beta blockers for years. I find after 2 weeks even taking along with keto that I loose all effect.

I drink a ton of water a day.....at least 1.5 gallons.

Greens are broccoli, spinach, snap peas, brussel sprouts, kale, just depends what I feel like at the time.

I have been trying to keep all of my fat/protein mix for later in the day and carbs just to fuel my workouts.

I could work at increasing protein ....I am trying to cut now.... my history is as follows...
I was 235 - 35% bf after injury and a 5 year layoff with alcohol abuse...that was 16 months ago.

I dropped to 196 at 18% with Marathon running training and little weight work.

Started to bulk in Oct. - went to 224 at 18% in March.

I find I am very sensitive to water retention from salts and carbs..looking at a beer puts on 5 lbs, so I stay away.

Now am 215 at 11% -

I have dropped 5" from my waist...but I am getting obsessive about loosing the front chub and small handles that will not go away!!! I have always had estrogen related fat deposits and found out in the fall that my natty test levels were really low - hence TRT and cycles.

I could easily ramp up cardio and drop the weight work...but I don't want to loose the muscke mass that I have gained. Cortisol is a big issue for me as well with endurance work.

[Cousinbutch]

Watch the videos that I put a link to, even if you don't want to following his recommendations fully, the carb/protein timing is really beneficial.

I have issues with extreme water retention as well, I wouldn't really call 1.5 gallons a ton of water, I'm 15 lbs or so less than you and drink a minimum of 3 which helps me retain far less. If I slip up and only take in 2 or less I am very bloated.

But check out those Milos videos, they'll help you a lot.
My protein is 2g/lbs, carbs 1g/lbs and fat is minimal, I don't include EFAs in my fat/calorie counts though.

I definitely wouldn't cut back on the weight training, keep it the same, maybe a little more cardio and a smarter post workout meal will do wonders.

Consider an ECA stack?


I'm not gonna proof read this sorry if it doesn't make sense or has an error.

[Damienm05]

started cutting 3 weeks ago, i dropped from 224 - 212, 17% - 11%. Running clen 2 weeks on 1 week off with ketofin on the week off to uprate beta 2 receptors. 50mg t3 ed to offset tren t3 reduction. Cycle is 125 sust250 eod and 75 tren eod. Just started winny 50 ed this week. I am 6'1" and 40 yrs.
Surprisingly i have gone from 212-215 this week with no diet change. It is driving me nuts...i want to get to 205 and single digets.

Diet:
8am
myofusion shake, flax meal, fish oil -
greens+ why no carbs? Have this meal look like your next one. No shake. 2 eggs, 8 whites, 1/2 cup oats.

10:30 am
1/2 cup steel cut oats
4-6 oz protien looks good
2 cups greens
or
2 eggs/8 egg whites 2 cups spinach plus oats

11:30 - protein shake no
1-2 cups greens
or
4 oz protien, chicken, fish, beef yes. 6-8 oz. Would be better, this is your pre-workout meal
2 cups greens add 40g low gi complex carbs.


1:30-2 post workout shake - iso protein yes
or 6-8 oz protien no
1/2 cup steel cut oats or low gi carb. Yams etc add this to your shake. To recap - 40g protein via iso, 30-40g complex carbs. I find rolled oats the easiest to mix right in.

2:30-3:00: Add a meal. That iso is out of your system now and you're anabolic in the pwo state. You need a meal. 6-8 oz. Lean protein, 30-40g complex carbs, veggies.

4pm move to 5:00
1/4 cup almonds
1-2 cup greens ie broccolli peas, beans,
4 oz protein very nice meal but again, i'd up the pro to 6 oz.

6:30 pm move to 7:00
6-8 oz protein
2 cups mixed greens
1 tbls olive oil
sometimes - 1 cup low gi carb ie yams, quinoa, it won't hurt but i'd keep it as a pro/fat meal for optimal fat loss.

9:30 pm
casien protien shake nice
1 tbls almond butter
1 tbls fish oil

this usually works out to around 2250 cal per day split 40pro/20-25 carb/35-40% fat 220-230 g protien, 110-125g carbs, 90-95g fat

i have just changed workout routines to a edt type....increased volume and hit for better calorie burn. I also usually have 30 min cardio post workout or 45-50 min later in the day. i'd stick to lit man. Longer and less intense. Spares lbm and burns more fat. Create the majority of your caloric deficit via diet.

i can't figure the stall out...if my baseline is 3180 (212 x 15) then to loose 2 lb per week i am at 2180 per day. Adding in 500-600 cal of excercise 5 days a week, so eating even 2500 - 2700 cal per day i should be loosing at least 2lb per week if not more. you're making the rookie mistake of looking at the scale, not pictures/mirror. You're probably gaining lbm on cycle.
even if i ate my baseline and then added excercise i would be at 1lb per week lose, not gains. again, don't look at the scale.
should i cut the fat% down????? no. Leave it where it is. I've changed your diet, adding 60-80g more protein and 50g or so of carbs. I think you should be eating more, period.
adjust macros?
My rational for timing is carbs early with no fats, fats later with protein, tones of fiber, limited sugar all to balance insulin and energy levels and fuel mid day workout.yup, that's good logiv.
could it just be the start of the winny? I would have thought it to help in the cutting. yes, possibly but the changes i've made to your diet are important regardless. Especially the ppwo meal (meal 30-60 minutes after the shake) and added carbs.
thoughts pls - thanks

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[bdodge2]

THANKS SO MUCH FOR THE FEEDBACK...

Exactly what I was looking for!!!!!!