revised begginer cycle

[jojomcgo]

Ok so as always i know the vets wont be shy about there opinion so let me know what you guys think about this for a fairly new guy to aas.. it goes like this,

500mg / wk test e or c
for 12 weeks

and 20 mg dbol for the first four weeks as a kick start
with nolva, and clomid for pct to start about a week and a half after my last injection
??

[Noles12]

Age?
Height?
Weight?
BF%?
Training Experience?
Cycle Experience?

[marcus300]

You need to tell us more about youself ie stats etc

[jojomcgo]

ok my stats are...

30yrs old
6'2
225
bf% would honestly be a guess but im going to say 18-20%
i love to eat but i work out 4 days a week no six pack but im in good shape
my diet it heathly chicken,fish,rice,ect no empty calories been in and out of the gym pritty much all my life just got down to bis honestly about a year and a half now.

[Noles12]

Well imo i would spend some more time wokring naturally and cut some BF. At higher BF% you run a higher risk of experiencing estrogenic sides.

I also see a few problems with that cycle and PCT

[jojomcgo]

Well imo i would spend some more time wokring naturally and cut some BF. At higher BF% you run a higher risk of experiencing estrogenic sides.

I also see a few problems with that cycle and PCT

Yea i have heard that about bf% before , but the only fat i really have is on my belly
i dont know may be i should just run some tren so i dont have to worry about estrogen so much?? i really dont think my bf% is that bad i seen pictures of people on here that are flaby im not flaby but i do i want to be safe so maybe ill just up the cardio and wait before i start..

[Noles12]

Yea i have heard that about bf% before , but the only fat i really have is on my belly
i dont know may be i should just run some tren so i dont have to worry about estrogen so much?? i really dont think my bf% is that bad i seen pictures of people on here that are flaby im not flaby but i do i want to be safe so maybe ill just up the cardio and wait before i start..

No please do not run tren. Have you researched at all because certain things are showing a lack of knowledge when it comes to AAS.

And about the BF%. Estrogen doesnt care if you have all the fat in your stomach or spread throughout your body. 20% is 20% when it comes to estrogen

[jojomcgo]

yes i have read and researched and im not doing any thing right now and i have run a cycle before never tren cause i have heard can be harsh just kinda trying to get a good base cycle and i have read that test e or c is good for a novice but like i said i have heard that bf like you said does play a role so i think i will cut it down to like 10% before i give this next one a run like i said just trying to get some idea's.

[Dont wanna be old]

A year of a good diet I would think body-fat would be much less .
There is something off some where , maybe you are leaner than you think .
A current picture would help .
If not , you need to lean out before trying AAS .

[Noles12]

A year of a good diet I would think body-fat would be much less .
There is something off some where , maybe you are leaner than you think .
A current picture would help .
If not , you need to lean out before trying AAS .

I could easily see someone being at that bf with those stats if they arent carrying a lot of muscle

[jojomcgo]

I could easily see someone being at that bf with those stats if they arent carrying a lot of muscle

No no i got a good amount of muscle...lol i wouldn't even mess with aas if didn't
just like to eat..

[Dont wanna be old]

I could easily see someone being at that bf with those stats if they arent carrying a lot of muscle

That is true .

[jojomcgo]

A year of a good diet I would think body-fat would be much less .
There is something off some where , maybe you are leaner than you think .
A current picture would help .
If not , you need to lean out before trying AAS .

yea like i said not to sure about the bf% but i do eat well always have never problem putting on weight just have found the older i am i seem to be hitting platue

[Noles12]

Im just speaking from experience because i was about 6'3 225-230 at around 14% or so before i started