Need a straight answer

[footyfan12]

Ok so stats

25 years old 100kgs
Been serious training for 7 years solid
IM NOT A BODYBUILDER
Diet is great has been for a long time.
Never used aas before
About 15% bf according to electric scales.

Ok so here's my problem I've been reading on this site and other sites for a long time now and I cannot get a straight answer anywhere. I would like to use anavar if I can get it but is very difficult to get in aus. I'm thinking of running a winstrol only cycle. I know all it's sides and it's 17 aa and all that some people say they have had all sorts of problems with it from libido problems to acne to test suppression and the whole lot. But what's the difference if you take winny alone than test alone test still has all the same sides just less liver and sore joints. I'm not looking at putting on huge size I'm NOT a bodybuilder and not looking at size and mass I only want to define. At the moment I'm bug enough as I'm a football player and don't want to get any heavier just want to tone up. So what's wrong with running a winny only cycle with pct ?? I don't want huge gains just a bit of strength and hardness and to cut up as my muscles aren't very defined???? If anyone has some info that will just answer my question and not go on about diet and exercise and that. I WON'T be runnin test or anything else

[flexandex]

The problem is the reward to risk ratio.

most cycles are better with test as a base. EVERYONE on this site will tell you that.

To be perfectly honest, if you aren't willing to use test (scared of needles?) as a base, the gains you're going to get from a winny/dbol only cycle really aren't that brilliant. And you won't enjoy the time you are on it. You might aswell stay natty, or go the whole hog and use injectibles.

Is there a reason you are wanting to go half in? instead of do it properly?

100kg @ 15% BF is a VERY big guy. those scales are notoriously innacurate, you could easily be closer to 20%, and you'd want to drop weight before you cycle.

Feel free to correct anything i've said thats wrong.

[Morgoth]

There's nothing preventing you from doing a winny alone cycle. Only thing is that winny will shut you down if you don't include any Sust with it. But if you are ok with being shut down while on cycle, then feel free to go ahead and do a winny only cycle.

(though I would recommend an Anavar only cycle for you)

[dieseljimmy]

I could see some lodgic in using oral winny alone if you were pretty muscular during a radical dieting period(heavy therm) to retain muscle. I think var would be better.
But I expect some degree of sexual disfunction and very little in terms of muscle growth.
Btw I have not done this I am assuming
Can you get oral primo? I think for muscle retention it would serve a similar function. And it is less liver toxic so you can run it longer.

[glover]

The answer to your question is a matter of opinion. All AAS are test or a derivitive of test. Most all will shut down natural production with very few exceptions.

You will not know until you try. It will not be permanent and you will learn from the experience. With that being said I too recommend the Var over the Winny. You should consider using Hcg with both. That will help. Then run pct.

[ScotchGuard02]

I've done oral only cycle, winstrol and anavar, before with good results. I took 150mg/wk of Test Prop to level out my endogenous level of Test. I would not recommend running oral only without Test. That's my 02

[upperhandy]

the problem with winny alone is that it will shut down your natural testosterone production
test will do this too, but because you are supplementing with extra test, your body is getting what it needs (plus more)

with winny alone (a dht derivative) you will have little testosterone floating around your system, and this is what will lead to your problems.

consider running a maintenance dose of test (125-250mg per week)along with the winny just to keep your levels up

and a good pct

good luck

[footyfan12]

Yeh thanks for the feedback everyone. So with the winny shutting you down as your body doesn't have any test flowing around can you use other stuff to help that instead of running test.( not worried about needles) like tribulus or something like that?? And I would definatley do an anavar cycle if I could get it. The price doesn't worry me it's just so hard to get in aus. Is it possible to run winny on a lower dose but for longer or in intervals like low enough to keep nat test going but still have winny in you or does any amount shut you down??

[MACHINE5150]

Yeh thanks for the feedback everyone. So with the winny shutting you down as your body doesn't have any test flowing around can you use other stuff to help that instead of running test.( not worried about needles) like tribulus or something like that?? And I would definatley do an anavar cycle if I could get it. The price doesn't worry me it's just so hard to get in aus. Is it possible to run winny on a lower dose but for longer or in intervals like low enough to keep nat test going but still have winny in you or does any amount shut you down??

to answer your question... No.. it will shut down your natural production even at smaller doses, so you might as well do a proper dosage for 6 weeks.. 8 if you can handle it.. BuT i would also suggest ttaking a bit of test.

Winny is pointless unless you are 10-11% TOPS...

Those scales are worthless, you can be anywhere between 8-30% for all we know.. perhaps post a pic of your abs and we would be able to guess with in 1-2%.... we are notoriously accurate on here.

[++++]

if you cant do needles then dont do aas ,honestly injecting is simple mate and injecbales give far better results than orals.

[footyfan12]

im not worried about using needles. is there anyway you can work out your body fat at all? or do you need to see a nutrition expert or something ?? im thinking i might just wait unitl i can get my hands on some anavar and just keep doing cardio and gym until i can. has anyone got some good info on what dosages and that to have on var and how long for my body type ? i will try and post a pic so you guys can guess my body fat ?%

[scotty51312]

^^ someone told you earlier to post a pic and we'd tell you your bodyfat percentage. I'm guessing about 16-17% There are a lot of people on here to train people for a living. Go to www.steroid.com and go to the profile of anavar. It will give you some good info on var dosing and what to expect. I'd still like to see what you consider a "great diet"

[scotty51312]

Would be easier to tell with a pic of the love handle area

[flexandex]

im not worried about using needles. is there anyway you can work out your body fat at all? or do you need to see a nutrition expert or something ?? im thinking i might just wait unitl i can get my hands on some anavar and just keep doing cardio and gym until i can. has anyone got some good info on what dosages and that to have on var and how long for my body type ? i will try and post a pic so you guys can guess my body fat ?%

If you aren't worried about using needles.

then why are you so set on an oral cycle when you know its inferior?

If i was you, i would deffinitely wait until you either A: use injectibles or B: get your hands on some real anavar.

[wormwood]

Yeah defenitely just run a low dose of test. Not being afraid of needles, there's absolutely no reason not to run test instead. Unless you are very prone to estro related sides then the side effects should be even less than what would be experienced with Winstrol. But if you are insistent upon running and oral only cycle, or you cannot get any test, then Anavar or Tbol would be optimal. You could even run them together.

[footyfan12]

Yeh I would like to run anavar only just finding it pretty hard to get here in aus that's the major drawback... I can get winny and clenbuterol. Would it be worth running some clen until I can get some var just to try and strip some fat ???