Liv52 & Milk Thistle

[jonnyp22]

I have been reading a lot about liver support during cycles and always used just GNC's brand of Liver Support during mine.. I never drink during my cycles, but I have done my share of partying in my day and know that my liver cannot be in the best of condition..

I am going to be running a cycle consisting of HGH/Test/Tren and figured I should improve my liver support before, during, and after. However, I have also heard that taking liver support takes away from the effectiveness of steroids. Has anyone heard that? But back to the main point of the thread.. what is everyone's thoughts on Liv52?? I have heard a lot about it and plan on using it during this cycle. Should I take Milk Thistle with it?? Also do you suggest liquid or caps of Liv52??? Thanks Guys

[Knockout_Power]

These products will not hinder gains. These will save your liver... you are not running an oral so there really isnt a need to run liver support. Wouldnt hurt though. I run milk thistle in liquid form 1 tbsp in morn and one after supper.

[jonnyp22]

I still wanted to run liver support just because I know I could definitely use it and it can't hurt. Now that I know it will not hinder gains I definitely will. Is milk thistle going to be enough for me? I was really excited about trying out that liv52 too haha have you tried it out?

[Knockout_Power]

Have not used Liv52 but a lot of people prefer it. Running both can only help clean up your liver more so. Nothing wrong with that. If you dont mind the expense, go for it

[jonnyp22]

I wish someone would chime in about liquid vs. caps haha

[jonnyp22]

so many choices out there! syrup, vegetarian pills, 2 different looking bottles... damn my head spins from this shit

http://www.amazon.com/LiverCare-Liv-.../dp/B001PB7OSE
http://indiaebazaar.com/Liv-52-Table...s-P209118.aspx
http://www.newsteroid.com/buy-liv-52-online.php

which one are you guys familiar with?

[HawaiianPride.]

I have been reading a lot about liver support during cycles and always used just GNC's brand of Liver Support during mine.. I never drink during my cycles, but I have done my share of partying in my day and know that my liver cannot be in the best of condition..

I am going to be running a cycle consisting of HGH/Test/Tren and figured I should improve my liver support before, during, and after. However, I have also heard that taking liver support takes away from the effectiveness of steroids. Has anyone heard that? Yep, liver "support" supplementation actually breaks down the greater amount of your oral steroid. But back to the main point of the thread.. what is everyone's thoughts on Liv52?? It's a solid product IMO. I have heard a lot about it and plan on using it during this cycle. Should I take Milk Thistle with it?? With your current cycle you don't need any liver support. It's just not a necessity here. Also do you suggest liquid or caps of Liv52??? I didn't know they made liquid Liv52, but if they did I'd go that route. Anything to avoid more pills for the liver to breakdown. Thanks Guys

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[jonnyp22]

Thanks a lot HP. They actually make a "syrup". I'm gonna look more into it before I try it. Even though it's not necessary, I feel like I could definitely use some liver support being that i've treated my body like an amusement park for the last 10 years! And just to clarify this will not take away from the effectiveness since I am not taking an oral steroid correct???

[HawaiianPride.]

Nope. You should get some blood work done and see what your liver enzymes look like, along with the rest of your values.

[jonnyp22]

I actually just had blood work recently and my doctor did say my liver was on the weak side... could have been that vodka and pizza...

I think its fair to say that I should probably use the Liv52

[themoreyouknow]

is one better than another? are both really needed or will one suffice?

[SomeLiveForTheBill]

Yep, liver "support" supplementation actually breaks down the greater amount of your oral steroid.

Wait, so if I take Liv52 or Thistle with my Var, it's going to kill most of the benefits of the Var? Am I reading this correctly?

[HawaiianPride.]

You are reading it correctly. Although I've never had any issues with my orals being any less effective, I've never tried to NOT supplement liver care products with my orals, so I can't give you personal experience on the matter.

[gymfu]

From what I've read both are prefered when on oral aas and have no neg effects on gains. More experenced guys please correct me if I'm wrong.

[HawaiianPride.]

From what I've read both are prefered when on oral aas and have no neg effects on gains. More experenced guys please correct me if I'm wrong.

Both are not essential really. You are just adding another component to your "liver stack" if you will, and IMO will probably put more strain on the liver "overall" rather than assist with the 17aa's being filtered through..

[Ashop]

I use Synthergine exclusively with all my athletes. Best product of its kind on the market.

[SomeLiveForTheBill]

You are reading it correctly. Although I've never had any issues with my orals being any less effective, I've never tried to NOT supplement liver care products with my orals, so I can't give you personal experience on the matter.

Still not sure I understand. In one statement, you are saying liver care will break down most of my oral roid (Var), but then you are stating you've never had any issues with your orals being less effective? So am I to surmise that while indeed the Liv52 or Milk Thistle will break down the Anavar for the most part, it does not DESTROY the Anavar and thus you are going to receive all the benefits of Anavar that you would have without the liver care? Thanks for clearing this up.

[HawaiianPride.]

Still not sure I understand. In one statement, you are saying liver care will break down most of my oral roid (Var), but then you are stating you've never had any issues with your orals being less effective? So am I to surmise that while indeed the Liv52 or Milk Thistle will break down the Anavar for the most part, it does not DESTROY the Anavar and thus you are going to receive all the benefits of Anavar that you would have without the liver care? Thanks for clearing this up.

It's a fact that liver supplementation breaks down the greater amount of your oral steroid. Still letting enough through to make significant gains from the oral. Yes, while supplementing liver care products while cycling orals, I noticed no changes in the effectiveness of the orals and what they were suppose to deliver. You are right in thinking liver care doesn't completely destroy the entirety of the oral, but to some extent it does. In my personal opinion, a smart dose of Var may not even need liver care in some users IF you monitor your liver values during. But to be on the safe side and to put an ease on most viewers minds, I would recommend it anyways.

[scotty51312]

I will be using UDCA as my liver support on my next cycle. No one seems to say much about it. Eventually i'll post my bloodwork before and after.