hcg while on cycle, or last 3 weeks?

[Ladell09]

23
208lb
3 years lifting
6 years sports with weight training on and off
1st cycle: 1 week in, 400mg/week test e(12 weeks), 25 mg dbol/day (weeks 1-4)
diet: 450g protien, 4000 kcal, macro's in order
pct: nolva, amarosin, hcg, clen, vit. c, vit. e (tamox on hand if needed) read below for specifics.

So i know everyone has a different opinion on this, but I'm looking for advice tailored to my goals and restrictions. I would like to see around 10lbs of muscle added after pct is said and done. Which sounds about right from other people's first cycle experience. Ok, so this should be geared as a bulking cycle, so my original thought was run hcg and vit. E throughout the cycle at 500ui a week, not use amarosin/tamox unless symptoms arise, and run nolva, vit. C, and tamox for 6 weeks pct.

I have read that hcg should be used with nolva to prevent desynthesization in testes. I would like to avoid testicular shutdown if possible, so should i instead run nolva with hcg throughout my cycle and run the ai on pct with tamox? Will this interfere with a cycle? Also nolva bolcks estrogen recptor's and doesn't lower it, then why is it used in pct instead of an ai which lowers estrogen? All i can gather is that ai's lower water retention on cycle and are better for cutting.

Sorry there are so many questions, input would be appreciated.

[kelevra]

Your right I couldn't keep track of your questions. LOL
What are you asking?

[Ladell09]

um from all that. If i want to bulk on this cycle while avoiding testicular disfunction, should i:
A. run hcg throught out with nolva, and use aromasin and tamox for pct
B. run hcg and nolva for the last 3 weeks of cycle and switch to ai and tamox in pct
c. run hcg alone throughout/last 3 weeks, have aromasin on hand if sides arise, and use nolva and tamox for pct

Looking for the option that doesn't lower my estrogen too much that it limits weight gains.

[Ladell09]

Any input?

[Vullfromsc]

tamoxifen citrate and nolvadex are the same thing, stop using them interchangeably lol
here is how you run hcg and aromasin in a sample cycle
Week 1-10 test e 250mg E3.5D
Week 1-11 hcg 250iu E3.5D
Week 1-12 aromasin 10mg EOD
Week 13-16 Nolvadex (Tamoxifen Citrate) 40mg/20mg/20mg/20mg

some prefer this:
Week 1-10 test e 250mg E3.5D
Week 1-11 hcg 250iu E3.5D
Week 13-15 aromasin 25mg ED
Week 13-16 Nolvadex (Tamoxifen Citrate) 40mg/20mg/20mg/20mg

that's pretty much it.. clen is good in pct too because it is anti-catabolic. might want to implement that in there

EDIT: assuming you know that test 2 lasts 2 weeks after last shot, start pct 2 weeks after last shot
assuming you know HCG lasts for about 5 days, so it is good to stop it about 1 week before you start your pct

[BigDawg44]

Honestly Hcg is also geared to heavier cycles not just running test e even with you frontloading d bol it is truly personal preference on that cycle. I run prop 200 eod and front load d bol 50 mg ed and take clomid and nova 4 weeks and return to normal without hcg but sometimes i run prop tren and dbol and thats when i used hcg 250 iu e3d. But you did your research and i can not congradulate you more on that. Its nice to know you atleast know what your talking about. Good luck on the cycle keep us posted

[BigDawg44]

congratulate*