Info Overload Help

[1_Grendel]

I will be seeing my Dr. this Tuesday 11/23. (43 years old male, 230lb, 5’ 11”)

I am thinking I will go the steroid direction but I am getting lost in all the info. I am very green to this so please be patient/kind. I had to look up what people meant when terms like,,, BW, clen, test, IFG and many others were used

At this time all I want to do is lose weight. I have looked/read about many drugs such as

HGH
TRT
Anavar

But I am still lost.

I am now on info overloaded. Almost all choices look good and all look scary. What do you mix and with what?

I can truthfully tell my Dr. about my qualification for test. but I am doubtful that even if I do qualify that my Dr. will prescribe any steroid. I bet I am on my own for this so I want to make sure I go in the right direction.

Anavar,,, at this time,,, looks good; I am now in need of advice.

I have been diagnosed with high blood pressure and at the door of being diabetic. i do go to the gym 4-5 weekly.

Thanks

[lovbyts]

First off greetings and welcome to our site.

Yes it can be a little overwhelming at first so start slow. Forget about the word steroids for now. Forget about the different types, what they are, what they do.

TRT = HRT They are the same thing only said different ways. TRT is Thyroid replacement therapy. HRT is hormone replacement therapy.

You want to ask your doctor to do a full blood workup on you. NOT to check your cholesterol but a Hormone/Testosterone test checking your Total and Free Testosterone levels.

Read these two links and it should clear things up for you. Stay and learn more but for now focus on Testosterone only. As you get older it is normal (but not a good thing) for our testosterone levels to decrease.

If your doctor seems clueless or if he/she will not give you a copy and/or show you your results find another doctor. NEVER accept when they say everything is in NORMAL range. Demand to see the results and keep a copy of it.

If he/she is clueless and wont treat your low testosterone (yes it is likely for most males over 40) go see a Endocrinologist. This would actually be my first choice but most people start with the general doctor.

For now forget about everything else and focus on this. After you have this figured out start learning about the HGH and go from there.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testosterone
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...o-%28Part-1%29

[1_Grendel]

Thanks

I am reading through the recomended material now.

i am seeing a new General Practitioner (GP) Dr. tomorrow. i am finished with my past GP Dr. due to other issues.

After reading about this over 40 thing I seem to have grown into and my old Dr. not recognizing some of my uneducated complaints well,,, lets just say all I ever get from this Dr. is "you are older,,,watch you diet,,,try to relax 1 hour before bed, reduce your stress,,,bla bla bla." I know all that he said was technically correct for everyone not just me but none of it was working.

This time I plan on going to the DR. a bit more informed.

[SlimmerMe]

Welcome!!.
Sounds to me like a low dose of hormone replacement therapy would be a good place to start and I would think your doctor would be up for this with all of the LOW T commercials on TV now.
HGH is not a steroid and many take it to gain lean mass but nobody ends up looking smaller as a result. Lean and small are two different things. Lean mass can help you look tighter even though you could be heavier than someone lighter without the lean look. HGH creates more muscle cells as well as adds to your body surface hence why many BB's like to use it.

First step would be to get a full male hormone panel taken. Then post up your results for the members to chime in. Meantime hang and keep learning. You came to the right place!

[1_Grendel]

Welcome!!.
Sounds to me like a low dose of hormone replacement therapy would be a good place to start…Meantime hang and keep learning. You came to the right place!

Thanks

I need to go back to college and get a degree in biology & bio-chemistry.

My head is swimming,,,
Who said bodybuilders are meat heads, you guys (ladies) know all this stuff, I am impressed!!!

Heads up/suggestion for us newbie’s when you use an abbreviation such as LH and others please show at the first use of the abbreviation in your article/paper/post what your abbreviation means,,, LH=??? Lysyl Hydroxylase, L. Hopital’s Rule, Left Hand, Lower Half, Long Haul, Light House, or as I found out Luteinizing Hormone. If I was told/read/learned about this hormone in biology class I promise I do not remember.


Ok enough with the break back to reading.

[Times Roman]

My GP (general practioner) was VERY reluctant to prescribe test to me. I'm a bit older than you, and my test was 221/67, which is fairly low. The GP kept focusing on "normal" but normal for someone my age is still pretty low.

I agree with the others, do not take a NO from your doc first time through. Come to find out, my GP even admitted he knew practically nothing about test. Initially, he wanted to give me a single injection every four weeks, which is pointless. We finally agreed on every other week, which is reasonable for test cypionate aka "cyp"

So just keep reading, stay active here on the board. It'll come to you.

[SlimmerMe]

Here is a link to a list of abbreviations for you to have on hand

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...=abbreviations

[1_Grendel]

Here is a link to a list of abbreviations for you to have on hand

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...=abbreviations

Thanks

after more reading i understand more about Anavar and what it doesn't do.

[lovbyts]

Thanks

after more reading i understand more about Anavar and what it doesn't do.

Good, now forget about the anvar for now and focus on the testosterone for HRT.

[1_Grendel]

Took another step today

My Dr. suggested that a testosterone test be done. He stated that if the test shows a low test level he will then prescribe a patch or a cream. Well of course I did not know what he was talking about. If the time comes were I qualify for test I can then discus the different options for application.

Tested for total Testosterone, the lab paperwork did not have a free test choice to check off.

[lovbyts]

The free test results may just be part of the total results also, hopefully it's a 2 part results. Sounds like you are getting a better understanding and the help you need; hopefully.

[SlimmerMe]

Hmmm....Lovbyts...I have not heard of TRT being referred to as thyroid replacement. This a first for me. I have always thought of TRT as being testosterone replacement. Please correct me if I am wrong, thanks!

[lovbyts]

Hmmm....Lovbyts...I have not heard of TRT being referred to as thyroid replacement. This a first for me. I have always thought of TRT as being testosterone replacement. Please correct me if I am wrong, thanks!

It is also sometimes noted as thyroid replacement therapy if you Google it but you are correct thinking that testosterone replacement is a lot more commonly used. It was more of a slip on my part and to keep things clear I should have used testosterone as the explanation.

[bass]

you've been given good advise, i've been reading for 2 years and still learning new stuff every day. trust me when these guys tell you forget about steroids for now! good luck with your journey! and welcome!

[1_Grendel]

Thanks for everyone’s input.

So far the Dr has put me back on Metformin. I was resisting the idea that I needed the drug but after being on it again for 4+ days I have seen a drastic change in my appetite & cravings (I am no longer hungry all the time).

I am looking forward to reducing my weight again through the age old idea of calories in calories out.

I have pick up enough info here to find out that getting onto one of the steroids with my body fat is not recommended; Though some have done it at this time I will err on the side of caution. If I get myself back onto the same weight loss time-frame as I was on I should be back into the 190’s sometime in March.

I will let you know what the blood test results are when I get them.

[1_Grendel]

Update:

Dr. just called, my T level is at 227 he said I was low, 241 is minimal (says the Dr.).

He doesn’t want to put me on medication at this time but wants me to lose weight.
From reading through here it seems that it is advisable to lose weight before someone starts taking testosterone; looks like the Dr. agrees with many here.

I am on my way back down the scale: 229lb to 222lb.

When I get time I will be asking diet/dietary questions in the appropriate section, see ya there. There is a lot of info here when it comes to nutrition; I finally realized that the college nutrition classes were only the start.

[bass]

that’s bull shit! with test that low TRT will help you with fat loss. its one thing to cycle at 400-500mg/week but its quite another to do it at low doses for TRT. of course it is always better not be fat when you inject hormones, but that low of test i believe TRT will work to your favor. i was denied TRT at 299, which is only 19 above the minimum line (280 is the low end BTW!), but i insisted that my doc refer an endo for me, now he is working on it to get it approved through my insurance! remember docs work for you, not the other way around.

[1_Grendel]

that’s bull shit! with test that low TRT will help you with fat loss. its one thing to cycle at 400-500mg/week but its quite another to do it at low doses for TRT. of course it is always better not be fat when you inject hormones, but that low of test i believe TRT will work to your favor. i was denied TRT at 299, which is only 19 above the minimum line (280 is the low end BTW!), but i insisted that my doc refer an endo for me, now he is working on it to get it approved through my insurance! remember docs work for you, not the other way around.

Thanks
I kind-of figured the Dr. would be a bit reluctant about prescribing test.

I have another blood test scheduled at the end of next month, and then I will see the Dr. 2/1. I plan on losing a few more pounds (give the Dr. what he wants see) and discuss what low Test does to people/me. The Dr. wants to see a drop in my sugar and triglycerides level, cholesterol was great.

I am in this for the long haul, a few more weeks of patience will hopeful be rewarded. If I do this right I am hoping that going on test will be a mutual decision between the Dr. & me.