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I am planning on buying tbol off of a well known canadian ugl which has a swedish name and am wondering if tbol is often faked? replaced with dbol or winny or other compounds? I have never used this lab before but I have heard good things!
the caps are 20mg x 50 caps
Im always a little sketched out with ugl's but this one seems to have a good rep.
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its probably faked as much as anything else mate
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not to be specific but tbol is on the same price point per mg as the other compounds you mentioned so if anything a fake would more likely be totally bunk than a different AAS. I have heard people talk about bunk liquid tbol before though
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I guess the only way to know is to give it a try. Any other canadians who have tried canadian ugl labs?
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Medi**** is apparently legit, I bought a few bottles of the stuff a few days ago (10mg/100 caps. However, I'm still undecided whether I'm going to actually take it or not. That being due to all the recommendations from various people on forums like these, I'm 21 and apparently that's still way to young to even think of taking something like this....regardless if it's considered "mild" in comparison to other compounds or not.
Last edited by S1X; 02-24-2011 at 04:18 PM.
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I don't think particularly being 22 is to young to give T-bol a go for a month.
Originally Posted by S1X
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That's what I've been told by quite a few people. Guess it's cause of my current stats 6'/140lbs, gotta get my diet in check first...not back on topic!!
Last edited by S1X; 02-24-2011 at 04:36 PM.
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You have the T-bol (and it's a good brand) use it and eat more then you would normally. You need to start somewhere. Your not going to grow a second head using it..so you will be fine. You need get more post before able to P.M people
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This is horrible advice. Why would T-bol be ok at that age? It is an anabolic steroid that still will shut you down
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Shuts him down. So? That's what PC is for!!! Should he wait till you feel it's the right time for him!? Maybe he should check back with you in what a year? when do you think he should start a cycle? In the end he is going to do what he wants.
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How can you say "so" to shutting him down, when it comes to a person still in the developmental stages of their life. It is about more than just his Test levels.
He doesnt have to check in with me. I just like to advise responsibly and help others to do right. Do you think if someone at the age of 21, who had no clue they could risk permanent damage to their HPTA, stunt their growth, and shut themselves down permanently, would always just run it anyways?
I personally do not and i spend time on this board to help others with understanding the pros/cons
Junior Member
as long as the source is legit, its not gonna be faked more than anything else. I have heard of labs selling Dbol as Tbol though.
Associate Member
most underground labs will if anything will substitute Test C with Test E, as the user would not be able to tell the difference.
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Don't get me wrong take other things into account as well... some info below that you may want to read/look into. Every little bit helps.
1.Am I getting enough sleep?
You need a minimum of 7-8 hours of quality sleep every night- if you can sneak in a nap in the mid day hours even better. This is when your body does the most growing and recuperating - take it seriously- going out til 4 am 3 night a week and thinking you will grow much less have productive workouts is asinine.
2. Am I overtraining?
Alot of people seem to be under the impression that when you are on you cannot overtrain...WRONG!
I have personally done it several times- in my overzealousness to be Dorian Yates I have trained extremely hard with high volume until my body finally drop dead.
Pushing yourself is good but extended periods of super high intensity are too much for the CNS to tolerate and usually with heavy weights the connective tissues dont handle the extended abuse to well either- training too many consecutive days in a row can be a killer too especially if life outside the gym has gotten stressful- remember some stress is good too much is a killer.
3. Am I eating enough?
This is perhaps the most important and most neglected aspect of training- if you hope to harvest a few ounces of new muscle tissue it takes a tremendous amount of constant eating. Eatin a ton of protein and good clean foods. I often times ask people who claim they eat ALOT but just cant gain-how much do you eat?
Response: ALOT
Me: How much is alot?
Response: Uh..a bowl of cereal at breakfast- soup and salad at lunch and some spaghetti and meatballs for dinner.
Me: Good luck with that!
I mean really...what most people think is ALOT I eat in one sitting for Gods sake. Bodybuilding style eating is a JOB- get used to that- its not every day I feel like eating 8 meals and 500 grams of protein..but I do...I wake up at 3 am to eat-EVERY NIGHT- this is not to brag- this is to show how I eat and Im not even that big- most people are eating less calories and protein than it takes to sustain their current lean body mass!
And I cannot understate this aspect of eating to gain- your diet is the most important on your days away from the gym- thats when you grow and thats when the body needs the nutrients.
4. Should I suplement?
I think that the supplement industry has often times gave themselves a black eye by making ridiculous label claims that leave most trainees pissed and dissapointed.
I understand because I have worked in this industry for the last 7 years- I can tell you what works and what doesn't- here is a short list of some very helpful suplements that work.
1.Whey Protein- a must have for post work out nutrition in my opinion- whey has the highest biological value of most proteins and the body can rapidly uptake the amino acids and begin delivering them to the damaged muscle tissue for repair and growth.
2. BCAA's- yes I know we all eat enough protein allready why more aminos? These 3 - valine-leucine- isoleucine - are 3 of the most anticatabolic and anabolic amino acids of the bunch- whey protein is high in them but its great to supplement these before and after a workout- cuts whey down on workout catabolism- yes working out releases cortisol and breaks down muscle- BCAA's cut down on the bodies loss of nitrogen from training.
3. Glutamine- how many times I have heard guys on boards say "stuff is ****ing worthless" yes I guess its not the same as 12 weeks of test enanthate. Its not a suplement you take and say WOW! I can feel it working...your intestines are a 30 foot long tube of digestion, full of anarobes and microbes that finish the final stages of digestion- this organ is very sensitive to glutamine intake- in fact the intestines have the highest concentration of glutamine besides muscle tissue. When dietary glutamine is not brought in the body metabolizes it from it next largest supply in order to get it to the intestinal lining- this next largest supply would be your muscles- so by simply taking in 10 grams per day you can stave off this catabolic process. Also if the intestinal health is not maintained it becomes a drag on the immune system and a compromised immune system means illness and time lost from training and growing.
4. Creatine- there are so many to chose from now but- plain and simple creatine hydrates the cells- in this state they are the most anabolic. My mother years back gave me an article about a University Hospital that has one of the best burn centers in the country- when dealing with 3rd and 4th degree burn victims, who have lost tissue and are in a highly catabolic state, they IV them pure water and supersaturate the patient- this stops the nitrogen loss in its tracks- and gets the body to begin to assimilate new proteins to repair the damaged tissue. Sound familiar? Thats what a trained muscle is experiencing on a smaller scale- in comes creatine to rehydrate and create an anabolic environment- the best creatines are a matter of opinion but I personally have had good success with creatine ethyl ester and tri-creatine-malate.
5. Multi Vitamin- just dont be foolish and get some crap like Centrum who just barely meets the USRDA on the Vitamins and minerals in there formula- the USRDA is a guage that has not been updated in 60 years. 60 mg of Vit C wont do shit for a hard training athlete- 1000 mg split into 2 (500mg) doses is much better- so when chosing a multi get one that is high potency and can be absorbed well- all those stories about sewer workers finding undigested pills in the sewer are true- so make sure you are getting the nutrients absorbed.
5. Do I need to change my training program?
10 sets of 10, HIT, DC, yo mama, alphabet soup, etc ... etc...Training programs are all over the place- one of the things that gets people is homeostasis- you go to the gym you lift heavy doing all your favorite exercises and you come home and you eat hard...then....your body yawns and kicks its feet up and says "yeah - yeah - big ****ing deal hahah"
Remember when you first started training? Your workouts were new- and you were sore as hell it seemed for days after a workout?
Well your CNS plays a big role in strength training and muscle building- back when you first started training your body went into a type of shock response and said "holy shit!" I need to make this guy stronger for the next time this happens. So your muscles grew to accomodate a higher work load i.e. more reps and more weight. Well after a while that all plateauded out and the gains seemed to stop dead in their tracks...you need to change your workouts so that you re-introduce an unfamiliar shock- such as higher weigh/ low reps, or high reps- rest pause- drop sets- tri sets-compound sets. Think of exercises you never do- use them instead of the same favorites you are so in love with. There is an old cliche in training " it all works, just not for very long" keep the stimulus new- when you feel the stagnation hit try a new workout- maybe HIT, or DC for 5-6 weeks, be creative thats what keeps the body off balance and homeostasis at bay.
Those are just a few of the many basics that are involved in getting the ball rolling in your favor for muscle building- so before you blame the drugs or assume taking more is the answer- take a look at your training, rest, and nutrition- because more often than not - the problem lies there.
New Member
Cool, thanks for the info! Canadream is it possible for you to pm me? We've hijacked awms' thread
Last edited by S1X; 02-24-2011 at 06:24 PM.
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Ya.. not to sure what you mean, you to me?
Cool, thanks for the info! Canadream is it possible for you to me me? We've hijacked awms' thread
Last edited by Canadream; 02-24-2011 at 06:54 PM.
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Sorry, typo there..haha. Edited!
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I think you need X number of post before you can talk via P.M Possibly #35 posts. not sure lol
Anabolic Member
Use a reliable source and you dont have to worry.
Senior Member
Bleh bleh bleh whatever, did we skip the part about him being 6' 140?
Don't take any aas. Ceatine sure, bcaas why not, no2? **** it do that too but not aas.
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