Hi im a newbie

[Supermanwannabe]

Hi everyone I'm new to this I've been training for a few years on and off but I am only now going anabolic I have Bought 400 naposim and 30 tamoxifen and milk thistle I'm gunna do a 30mg dose to start is this enough and how do I use tamoxifen I suffer from slight bitch tits at the moment and dnt want tomake it worse haha is there anything else I need to buy?

[MBMETC]

stats:
age
weight
height
bf%
planned pct

[Supermanwannabe]

I'm nearly 20 6ft 3 15.5 stone not sure on bf but I'm well covered and I'm sorry but I dnt understand what u mean by pct

[Matt]

The young and Steroids
Due to the recent number of PM's ive been receiving regarding age and steroids I thought i'd write this thread to try and help some of our younger members. Ive also been having a conversation with my Endocrinologist who may give a more profession opinion on the subject:

There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding. Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.

Written by Marcus

[Supermanwannabe]

Thank you I understand there are problems caused by steroids and have been finding out about them for 6 months and come to the conclusion of trying these

[redz]

Well you obviously didn`t do any real research or you are just choosing to ignore the possible problems. Dbol onyl is a crap cycle anyways.

[Supermanwannabe]

What cycle do u recommend

[MBMETC]

What cycle do u recommend

diet and training

[Matt]

diet and training

Just about the best answer you could get...

[Supermanwannabe]

I've done the diet and trainin and handcuffing results but Iv stopped growing now and I tried eating more and switching routines now I'm deciding to try steroids can I have some advice on how to take tamoxifen with these

[Matt]

Sorry but nobody here will advise a 19 year old on the use of aas.......

[YoungMan]

ummmm.... a strong base of test is always nice... so start at 0mg/per week for about 4-6 years..... makes sense.....no? .... well let me explain your test levels are through the roof right now and you dont need anything but some protein, lots of food, proper dieting and you will be huge and ripped before you start your great cycle of d bols when your older

[Honkey_Kong]

What cycle do u recommend

Cycle? You're 19 for Christ's sake!!! And at 13.5 stones and 6 feet tall at any age, you've got plenty of room to grow naturally. By the way, a 19 year old is naturally making a good amount of steroids. I suggest you use it while your body is still making it. Steroids are not the answer to some 19 year old kid. In fact, I think it's immoral for anyone to advise somebody your age in using steroids. You want good gains? Earn them the old-fashioned way.

[Supermanwannabe]

Ive been training for 2 years and I'm not growin anymore that's why I wanna do this do I take tamoxifen with the naposim or on my week off

[songdog]

Matts the man.His word is final!

[cro]

^^^^^^^2nd this.

[Supermanwannabe]

Ok that's fair enough

[cro]

good attitude its all for good reason bro...

Ok that's fair enough

[Supermanwannabe]

Thanks I'll get rid of these it obv isn't as simple as I thought can I still use the tamoxifen to reduce the fat on my chest it just won't go away

[Tigershark]

Too young. Read the diet and training section.