Cycle advice needed

[stupidbell]

hey im after some advice.
thinking of starting a 300-400mg/wk test E cycle for 10weeks. Possibly 250mg bolderdone(eq)/wk also. have nolva and tribilis zma. cant realy get my hands on any other pct.
is this advisable?

have previously done very mild test e cylce. heaps of water retention . for this one should i take nolv during it to counter water ret?

21yr old training for well over a year but only 8-10 months intensely.
any thoughts/critisism welcome
thanks guys

[lovbyts]

Wow!!! almost a whole year of working out and now it's time to start aas?

Another instant gratification wanabee looking for a magic pill. Get use to disappointment because that is what you are going to be finding a lot in life.
Your to young, your knowledge is inadequate and your not physically ready.

Read the sticky notes at the top, especially "If You Are Under 24 Then Read This" and yes, there is a big difference between 21 and 24.
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...evised-Edition

[sxxen]

The **** crawls up your ass at night? Why are you always a sarcastic smartass in every single thread I see you in? No one is forcing you to respond. If it upsets you this much you should step away from the internet for a while.

All hail Lovbyts, the legend who popped out of his mum knowing everything!

Wow!!! almost a whole year of working out and now it's time to start aas?

Another instant gratification wanabee looking for a magic pill. Get use to disappointment because that is what you are going to be finding a lot in life.
Your to young, your knowledge is inadequate and your not physically ready.

Read the sticky notes at the top, especially "If You Are Under 24 Then Read This" and yes, there is a big difference between 21 and 24.
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...evised-Edition

[lovbyts]

The **** crawls up your ass at night? Why are you always a sarcastic smartass in every single thread I see you in? No one is forcing you to respond. If it upsets you this much you should step away from the internet for a while.

All hail Lovbyts, the legend who popped out of his mum knowing everything!

It's good you know your place. Keep bowing. Obviously you dont read enough. I only post sarcasm or as a lot of us like to put it, the good old honest truth when it's due. Where is your words of wisdom? You will see I also pointed him in the right direction and yes answered the question about the difference of 21 & 24 because just like the 1000s before him that would have been his next statement. 21 is the same as 24, he has finished growing etc. After reading the same post 1000s of times from clones you get a pretty good idea of where they are coming from and what they are going to say/ask.

You will find Marcus and Matt can be just as sarcastic as myself at time and sometimes worse. LOL Lets see if you have any sarcasm after 8K+ post. LOL I must have hurt your feelings at some point by also pointing out the truth, right?

[songdog]

I hear ya Lovbyts.The truth hurts.You say the same thing everyday 100s of times.Dont anyone read anymore?

[PurpleOnes]

Dude not the smartest idea to start cycling when you don't have much experience under your belt.

Your body needs to get adjusted to training+ you don't have enough lifting experience. I will agree with lovbyts , you should train atleast 3 more years consistent before even considerng cycling again.

Just wait , unless you want to harm yourself more. Just keep researching meanwhile , keep training , dieting and learning more.

Good luck to you!

[marcus300]

You havent been training long enough and your to young. Please read this it may help you understand more.

http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...-a-first-cycle

AGE
In humans your Endocrine system is not fully functional until an average age of 25yrs, although the main development is up to around 21yrs it still fluctuates a little bit up to its fully functional age. There is a risk of permanently damaging your HPTA if you take AAS to young and you could end up with symptoms of andropause and HRT for life. Symptoms could be Limp dick, low libido, depression, low energy, low endurance, erection problems and many more but.......are these the types of symptoms you want to have in your 20's?. Believe me its hard to cope with these in your 40's yet alone in your prime of your life.

Around this age your Testosterone levels are the highest they going to be in your life naturally, so use what you have and don't take the risk of damage, I am passionate about this because ive seen it many times with young kids wanting to looking like their heroes and they think the answer is in an injection/tablet.

Taking AAS to young can also cause problems with development, one other main problem is premature sealing of your epiphyeal bone and the consequences mean that you wont grow as big as your genetics could allow you to, there is a test which can be done to see if your growth plates have sealed yet but the average age is around 21yrs old.



TRAINING
You need a few years of hard training under your belt before even considering taking any kind of anabolic support, people who jump on a cycle to soon without having some quality years under their belt usually results in injuries, it takes time to develop your connective tissue, tendons and nervous system to heavy overload training. Slowly getting your own system use to these kinds of extreme's will only help in muscle growth later on when you do decide to start taking AAS.

Build a solid foundation for muscle tissue to grow and maintaining and development will be far greater than without it. Many younger guys will start cycling before they have reached their genetic potential which is crazy when a good solid diet and training program will be far beneficial and productive to muscle building.

Workouts should be mainly focused on basic movements with a priority of over loading the muscle each and ever time you train, increasing your strength and ability to lift in proper form will help with building the foundation for future development


DIET
A lot of younger bodybuilders don't know how to eat. Researching and understanding how your own body responds will help you get to your natural limit, the right food at the right time and a full understanding of proteins,carbs, and fats will only help you succeed in achieving your natural goals. Keeping a diet diary will also help you understand the importance of macro, nutrients, calories and should help you see in which areas you could be going wrong in adding lean muscle tissue.

No matter how much anabolic support you have it will be worthless without proper nutrition, food will help build and maintain your valued muscle weather its natural, cycling or in PCT. Adjusting your food intake and consuming muscle building foods coupled with a solid training program will help you achieve your natural limit and foundation before you start AAS use.

This area is a huge problem with the younger guys and I can't express enough how important diet/food is when first starting out, post and pre training nutrition are very important and understanding how to load and feed the body will help push growth and create a very natural anabolic environment

[lovbyts]

I hear ya Lovbyts.The truth hurts.You say the same thing everyday 100s of times.Dont anyone read anymore?

Thanks for the support and understanding songdog. It's even more frustrating when someone thinks they have hit a plateau or need aas after only a few months of working out. WTF, if it was that easy to gain there would be about 100x the number of BB as there are. It takes years of natural work and growth before you are ready. What ever happened to good old hard work? Ok how about even 1/2 assed work but 8+ months???? That's nothing, your muscles are just getting use to working out and starting to grow.

Hopefully the OP will listen, start reading and learning about diet and forget the aas for a few years. Like I said, read the sticky notes above and then visiting the diet section.

You also have to realize when we are talking about growth it's not about how tall you are. We also grow wider, fill out. Learning about diet you can put your body in an anabolic state just learning what to eat before and after working out and you wont have to worry about side effects like ED erectile dysfunction or loosing all your gains quicker than you got them.

[songdog]

Any time Bro.You were spot on.Some of these new guys just want to be spoon fed.I think they were on the tit to long.