MMA - New to Cite Cycle

[scbjr]

Hi everyone. I'm new on this site and I'm trying to get some help. I'm 24, 5' 10, 153lbs, probably 15% body fat (so yes, I have bit of beer in the belly right now), and an MMA fighter. I fight at 140 or 145. I'm trying to get some help on cycles for MMA. I see a lot of suggestions for one drug, but nothing about PCT or cycling at all. I haven't found any real consistent advice online for MMA cycles. Can I get some direction on how to get help?

As far as goal go, I will probably drop down to 145 in 2 weeks to get the fat off of me. I'd like to stay around 150-155. I'm looking for something that would make me stronger, faster, and not put on a lot of extra weight. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

[dec11]

Hi everyone. I'm new on this site and I'm trying to get some help. I'm 24, 5' 10, 153lbs, probably 15% body fat (so yes, I have bit of beer in the belly right now), and an MMA fighter. I fight at 140 or 145. I'm trying to get some help on cycles for MMA. I see a lot of suggestions for one drug, but nothing about PCT or cycling at all. I haven't found any real consistent advice online for MMA cycles. Can I get some direction on how to get help?

As far as goal go, I will probably drop down to 145 in 2 weeks to get the fat off of me. I'd like to stay around 150-155. I'm looking for something that would make me stronger, faster, and not put on a lot of extra weight. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

you need to get into better shape before starting AAS. get in tiptop condition and then AAS will be the cream on top of that

[gixxerboy1]

there is no need for you to take steroids to accomplish what you are trying to do

[scbjr]

you need to get into better shape before starting AAS. get in tiptop condition and then AAS will be the cream on top of that

I'm in tip top shape. I am in fighting shape which I can guarnatee you is the best shape someone can be in. I just have a little extra body fat on right now. I was thinking something like anavar only. Or small test prop (100mg wees) with winstrol and anavar.

[Swifto]

What is your diet?

I dont think anyone should be cycling until they're near their genetic potential and you dont seem to be there by looking at your stats.

No reason why you cant get to 190lbs+ with a good diet and training program.

[dec11]

I'm in tip top shape. I am in fighting shape which I can guarnatee you is the best shape someone can be in. I just have a little extra body fat on right now. I was thinking something like anavar only. Or small test prop (100mg wees) with winstrol and anavar.

i was responding to information given, you did state you had a beer belly mate, i would not consider that 'tiptop' condition

[scbjr]

i was responding to information given, you did state you had a beer belly mate, i would not consider that 'tiptop' condition

I was joking a little about tip top condition or being fat. I'm 5' 10 and weigh 153lbs (that doesn't leave a lot of room for fat). I'm a little higher body fat than when I fight, but I sometimes do that to help with conditioning. And to other guy I'm sure I could be 190 lbs, but I don't want to be. I'd like to get stronger, and I have been plateaued for a while. I've taken Anavar before with fairly good results, but I was young and didn't really know what I was doing. I was looking for suggestions, maybe trying something in addition to anavar, or suggestions on how to cycle the anavar either with or after the anavar. I mentioned above a couple of things I was considering.

This is the problem. I've looked over a lot of sites and I have been unable to find any consistent advice for someone looking for what I am. Almost all professional fighter use these products, so there are reasons someone like me would, but there is very little information. Any help would be greatly appreciated. The people on this site seem well educated and I value your opinions.

[dec11]

I was joking a little about tip top condition or being fat. I'm 5' 10 and weigh 153lbs (that doesn't leave a lot of room for fat). I'm a little higher body fat than when I fight, but I sometimes do that to help with conditioning. And to other guy I'm sure I could be 190 lbs, but I don't want to be. I'd like to get stronger, and I have been plateaued for a while. I've taken Anavar before with fairly good results, but I was young and didn't really know what I was doing. I was looking for suggestions, maybe trying something in addition to anavar, or suggestions on how to cycle the anavar either with or after the anavar. I mentioned above a couple of things I was considering.

This is the problem. I've looked over a lot of sites and I have been unable to find any consistent advice for someone looking for what I am. Almost all professional fighter use these products, so there are reasons someone like me would, but there is very little information. Any help would be greatly appreciated. The people on this site seem well educated and I value your opinions.

strength training will make you strong, ie heavy deads, squats shoulder presses etc. i was very very strong at 75kg class without anabolics

[scbjr]

Thank you. I am already aware that strength training will make me stronger (don't mean to sound condescending--sorry if I do). But does anyone have an opinion on a cycle for strength, speed, fat loss and very little weight gain? Again, I have read a lot and seen no consistent advice for a cycle like this.

I will even though out some of the cycles I've seen suggested.
Week 1
Test Prop 200mg
Winstrol 50mg (every day)
Week 2-8
Test Prop 100mg
Winstrol 50mg (each day)

Week 9
Nolva 40mg (per day)
Clomid 100 (per day)

Week 10 - 11
Nolva 20mg (per day)
Clomid 50mg (per day)

Here is another
Weeks 1-8
Anavar 50mg (per day)

[PetrX]

I'm in tip top shape. I am in fighting shape which I can guarnatee you is the best shape someone can be in. I just have a little extra body fat on right now. I was thinking something like anavar only. Or small test prop (100mg wees) with winstrol and anavar.

You stated that you have somewhat of a beer gut and that your bf% is around 15 %...that's no where near in shape condition...if you train and diet and exercise and your bf% is at 15 % then you need to fix your diet and trainning..if you cycle with that much bf% , your a high candidate for gyno...just fix your diet and exercise and you will hit your goals in no time

[DanB]

something dont add up here (5'10 153lbs 15%b/f, mma dont go together) ,(strenght plateud ,beer belly, tip top shape, fighting shape)also dont add up ? post pics you cant be anywhere near in condition to cycle with those stats and comments

[hsvcraig]

I think you must be new to mma or you dnt train much, I'd find it impossible to hold that weight when I was boxing

[xelnaga]

Everyone does "MMA" these days.

[DanB]

I think you must be new to mma or you dnt train much, I'd find it impossible to hold that weight when I was boxing

x2 and with 5'10 15%b/f there aint room for any muscle that would be very weird physique defo not fighters physique or even occasional social ''mma'' training

[PetrX]

I think you must be new to mma or you dnt train much, I'd find it impossible to hold that weight when I was boxing

Agreed

[DanB]

and when your new you need to focus on technique,power means nothing if you cant use it correctly

[scbjr]

Okay. Well thank you for the lack of any advice. I like to put on 5 or so pounds before I do a really intense conditioning schedule. It makes it harder and I think the pain is good for me mentally. I'm probably not 15% body fat, I have 5lbs` but nonetheless. I basically have a bunch of people giving me zero advice on what I've asked for. Yes I know how to train, yes I know what to eat, yest I know how to fight. I was simply asking if anyone knew of any cycles that fighters use because the internet sux for that type of information. Clearly the answer is--the internet sux for this type of information.

If anyone has good advice or anything besides critisizing my training. I would greatly appreciate it. I respect the opinions on this site and I have found good information on this site.

[DanB]

Okay. Well thank you for the lack of any advice. I like to put on 5 or so pounds before I do a really intense conditioning schedule. It makes it harder and I think the pain is good for me mentally. I'm probably not 15% body fat, I have 5lbs` but nonetheless. I basically have a bunch of people giving me zero advice on what I've asked for. Yes I know how to train, yes I know what to eat, yest I know how to fight. I was simply asking if anyone knew of any cycles that fighters use because the internet sux for that type of information. Clearly the answer is--the internet sux for this type of information.

If anyone has good advice or anything besides critisizing my training. I would greatly appreciate it. I respect the opinions on this site and I have found good information on this site.

you dont need steroids you could EASILY put on 5lbs in couple weeks at your height/weight,you claim to know how to eat so my advice is to EAT

[scbjr]

Maybe I can ask a different question, because this doesn't seem to be productive (part of this may be the effect of me feeling weird talking about myself and my inability to convey sarcasm in typed words).

There are tons of fighters just like me at my height and body build fighting at 145. They probably walk around at 155 or maybe more. Here is the question--why would somone like that take steroids? Because all the pro fighters my size are on them. Everyone seems to imply that steroids only have the effect of making you bigger. But its seems to me that there has to be way to take steroids and get stronger without necessarily gaining any muscle i.e., making the muscle you have stronger. If this isn't the case than why does every professional or semi-pro (know that isn't really a MMA status) fighter use steroids?

you dont need steroids you could EASILY put on 5lbs in couple weeks at your height/weight,you claim to know how to eat so my advice is to EAT

[dec11]

Maybe I can ask a different question, because this doesn't seem to be productive (part of this may be the effect of me feeling weird talking about myself and my inability to convey sarcasm in typed words).

There are tons of fighters just like me at my height and body build fighting at 145. They probably walk around at 155 or maybe more. Here is the question--why would somone like that take steroids? Because all the pro fighters my size are on them. Everyone seems to imply that steroids only have the effect of making you bigger. But its seems to me that there has to be way to take steroids and get stronger without necessarily gaining any muscle i.e., making the muscle you have stronger. If this isn't the case than why does every professional or semi-pro (know that isn't really a MMA status) fighter use steroids?

in answer to your question, they take them for strength. certain steroids are better for certain desired result, ie: anavar isnt great at putting on weight but very good for strength therefore its suitable for weight catagorised sports.

stick up a pic of yourself so we can see exactly what we are dealing with

[gixxerboy1]

agree with dec
also depending on age some take them for faster recovery
some Just run a trt dose of test. But depending on your age if its really wont be worth it if you are young.

[smashingbox]

Bro I can see what you are getting at here, a lot of people on here are so focused on size that they forget some people like yourself might just want to get faster, recover better, increase strength to size ratio without weight gain... ironically more practical uses than most of us use them for - which is mostly aesthetic I would guess. I dont think you would be 15% bf, many people misjudge their own bf% but you need to be sure of what you are saying on here or people will misinterpret you. Make sure you give accurate stats or you'll get nothing, pic will help your cause.

How about this, how long have you been strength training? How long have you been training MMA? How many fights have you had?

For strength without size the keys for you will be stana for stength, anavar for strength, boldenone/eq will increase red blood cell count thus cardio and cellular respiration etc, maybe test prop for overall gains, but not big doses or you will gain weight. All of this information is readily available on the internet, instead of searching for MMA cycles, try just investigating different steroids and reading about their effects and making the call yourself.

[scbjr]

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[scbjr]

Sorry I don't know how to make the pic bigger.

[gixxerboy1]

i've fought before and have friends that still do.
My friends that are in the 30's just use low dose of test prop.
I've tried all different things. Nut i wasnt trying to maintain a weight as much as you.
Also looking from your pic changing diet and possibly training can easily get you were you need to be.

[dec11]

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Again—I have some extra pounds of fat on me. It’s this weird training thing I do—I went to India for a month a few years ago, and that’s where I set up this Buddhist Zen (or whatever you want to call it) training program—my trainer helped me set it up. The idea is extra pain when running an intense conditioning program, so that the mind is used to pain.

I can rep with 200lb on a bench (its really hard for me), but I see guys my size that rep with 225 +. By squat has always been a little week (I've had two ACL tears). I started wrestling in fourth grade and wrestled up through high school. I grew up in the Mid-West where wrestling is a big deal—so I got to work with a lot of really good wrestlers. I know what it means to be in fighting shape. I did a little MMA training and submission grppling when I started college, but not for long. I stopped any intensive workout program for the first couple years of college, but stayed in shape. I started training MMA almost two years ago, and I’ve had two fights. I was just curious, if anyone knew what fighters were using and what makes sense. I was also wondering about PCT with Anavar. I’ve been told by a lot of people you don’t need any PCT is you do a cycle of only Anavar.

dont listen to them, you should PCT after ANY cycle. i agree with gixxer, i think you can easily achieve without any AAS

[scbjr]

My problem is that I have trouble getting stronger and staying this size. I use to wrestle at 160 and was a lot stronger, but my stand up sucks when I weigh that much. My hands are way faster at this weight. I guess I'll keep working on it and if I'm not where I want to be I'll try something again. If I cycled anything I'd do something really simple like Anavar only. What would PCT look like for a 50mg Anavar cycle? Thanks for the help dec.

[dec11]

My problem is that I have trouble getting stronger and staying this size. I use to wrestle at 160 and was a lot stronger, but my stand up sucks when I weigh that much. My hands are way faster at this weight. I guess I'll keep working on it and if I'm not where I want to be I'll try something again. If I cycled anything I'd do something really simple like Anavar only. What would PCT look like for a 50mg Anavar cycle? Thanks for the help dec.

i maintained 75kg class for 10yrs while i powerlifting whilst improving strength year after year and i was natural. so why cant you?

you said in a post above you knew how to strength train, i guessing you dont. you seem to be looking at drugs to do the work for you, believe me, it doesnt work like that. heavy low rep compound movements are what you need

[auswest]

Going by your pic and I don't mean this offensively, but it really does not look like you know how to eat or train. Get yourself a good training program and diet.