Sus250 diet help

[arico]

Hey guys I'm after a bit of help I've been researching heaps on this stuff and I understand it but one thing I'm confused on is the diet when using sus. Ive got my own cutting diet with the correct macro nutrient breakdown of PCF but when using sus are u supposed to be in a cal deficiency which for me is around 2200 cals. Or bulking for me is around 4000 or so. Also some people say when they were on gear they just ate whatever and still got the full effect. I've also got clen. So would it make more sense to bulk with the sus and cut with the clen? On my cutting diet my breakdown is p=300g f=70g and carbs= 110g. Would Sus work well on a cutting diet or what? Only thing in confused about. Can someone else list how they went about doing there diet? Cheers guys I also worked out the whole 1.2g protein per pound and 0.45g fat etc etc

[arico]

Bump

[TheClinch]

The diet question is a good one: go to the diet section and ask there.

The sustanon question wont be answered by any of the top guys here because you are too young to use AAS.

Read the stickies, especially "the young and steroids" by marcus 300.

Diet and training only for now amigo

[arico]

Thanks for the reply as to everyone else who helps me out I don't know why it says my age is 19? I'm actually 27 my gd
Made
Me this account when I was at work as we were both interested in learning

[arico]

How do u change ur age btw?

[TheClinch]

Thanks for the reply as to everyone else who helps me out I don't know why it says my age is 19? I'm actually 27 my gd
Made
Me this account when I was at work as we were both interested in learning

As long as you know if it was in fact you who is 19 it would be very risky for you to use AAS right now.

[arico]

I respect that but on the other hand some of the most successful people have used aas at such a young age. Arnold. Zyzz, chestbrah etc

[TheClinch]

I respect that but on the other hand some of the most successful people have used aas at such a young age. Arnold. Zyzz, chestbrah etc

Not one single veteran on this forum will endorse AAS usage by a person under 25.

[TheClinch]

The young and Steroids

Due to the recent number of PM's ive been receiving regarding age and steroids I thought i'd write this thread to try and help some of our younger members. Ive also been having a conversation with my Endocrinologist who may give a more profession opinion on the subject:

There isn't an exact age were we all stop developing and growing because this is determined by our genes and DNA, we are all genetically programmed individually and we inherit our genes from our parents. To give an exact age we stop growing would be incorrect because everyone's genetic blueprint is different.The main development of our bodies is up to the age of 21yrs of age but this can vary between individuals. There are parts of our bodies what carry on developing and adjusting slowly up until the age of 25yrs old, an example of this is the brain. The Endocrine system is a part of the brain what is very complex and keeps our bodies in a homeostasis state. Our testosterone levels start raising and roughly peak around 25yrs old and then start to slowly decline, so even though some of us may have stopped growing at the age of 21yrs old, others may still be developing up until the age of 25yrs old.

I have recently spoken to my Endo regarding this matter and he tells me that the HPTA is very sensitive and as many pathways how it regulates the human body, he states steroids disrupt the normal balance of hormones in the body which can cause reversible and irreversible changes at any age but risks are far more if you administrate exogenous androgens during development, this will put you in a very unnatural environment at a crucial time and your hormones should be treated with care especially in the early stages of maturity. The adverse effects can be erratic behaviour of the HPTA and potentially therapy when your older.

I did ask him what age he would think would be the safest as far as risk to damages and he said many endocrinologist suggest full maturation is reached by 25 years of age and this would also give the HPTA time to be established with your natural hormone balance and patterns. I personally feel 24-25yrs old would also be ideal starting point to get bloodwrok drawn to see exact what your natural levels are before starting any kind of cycles and waiting till you have reach your testosterone peak would be a good starting point, for me there is to much evidence over the forums and what I've seen personally over the last 25yrs I've been bodybuilding . Obviously it isn't going to be all 19- 21yr old bodybuilders who suffer side effects what are irreversible but I am edging on the side of caution what age I advice to the newbies.
Marcus

[arico]

Fair enough . Anyways can someoe please help with my question

[moseley2004]

Zyzz?? U serious? Look what happened to him. Dumb kids

[cuzzbrah]

zyzz was taking tren dosages that could kill a bull

[arico]

Instead of posting 1-2 lines of response in order to try and argue against me you could reply with a few lines of response that would actually answer my question hence the reason I'm being polite and asking for advice here. If u have nothing to contribute then pls go your say is no use here

[arico]

So basically wondering what happens if I ate 2200 cals as apposed to 4000+ cals on sus? Will I gain more muscle or fat? The 2200 is my natural cutting diet and it's got all the macros figured out as opposed to my 4000+ one which I eat 7 meals a day high carbs . High protein etc but haven't calculated any macros? Only thing I'm having trouble with is the diet on sus

[arico]

Bump

[TheClinch]

Not one single veteran on this forum will endorse AAS usage by a person under 25.

Bump that

[gixxerboy1]

lol. well i thought you made a mistake and put the wrong age and were really 27. Then you said successful people and brought up chestbrah and Zyzzz as example. Yea your 19

[alexISthrowed]

Zyzz successfully killed himself.

[TheClinch]

lol. well i thought you made a mistake and put the wrong age and were really 27. Then you said successful people and brought up chestbrah and Zyzzz as example. Yea your 19

My thoughts exactly!

[arico]

Blonde why don't u shut the **** up. Your comment is voided bitch I've had enough of being nice all I was after was some advice . You people aren't my
Parents let alone should have no say in telling ppl not to do something they want to.

Listen you better ease up or find a new place to lie about shit.Listen you better ease up or find a new place to lie about shit.

[TheClinch]

Blonde why don't u shut the **** up. Your comment is voided bitch I've had enough of being nice all I was after was some advice . You people aren't my
Parents let alone should have no say in telling ppl not to do something they want to.

Typical child crying the blues when he cant accept the reality he's been given. The people here are trying to help you avoid a potential devastating loss of post cycle functionality of your endocrine system. Take it in your thick head, just because you want to do something doesnt mean you should and more important that we should irresponsibly advise you to do it. You simply shouldn't.

[TheClinch]

Lipping off Gixxer is a surefire way of losing this valuable resource of responsible advisors.

[arico]

mate who the hell do u think you are? your a no body to me so dont even dare start trying to tell me what i can and cant do. Im considered an adult thus am more than capable of deciding what i want to inject into my body. Who are you or anyone else to advise me against it? You can have ronnie coleman and jay cutler on here telling me not to do it and i wouldnt listen because this is what ive decided to do and not you or any other damn person is going to stop me. ok. If you have nothing nice to say then GTFO of my thread ur no longer welcome cock sucker.

[jp_2011]

Thats a sure fire way to get no advice n get banned from the forum by leavin comments lyk that. The whole reason people give advise on ere is to ensure the use of steroids is done in a safe way, not to promote it or build egos by lettin every1 knw how much gear ther stickin in themselves every week. If u r actually 27 then i apologise but, How can u get ur date ov birth wrong by 8 years?

[arico]

as i stated before my girlfriend created this account for me and i guess she musta done it by mistake and i never really noticed it until it was bought up.
Anyways can we please just get back to my original question. For the record i am 27 years old!. Sorry if i came off a little hard on you guys in here im just getting frustrated as i cant find the answers im looking for regarding the diet part as posted.

[TRT2010]

What are you bi polar dude. You steam off on repected people then you say sorry. BTW the answer to your question is quite simple. You know the amount of cals you need in order to cut and lose weight. What do you think will happen if you eat 4k cals and you decide to go on gear? Food for thought. Good luck though

[alexISthrowed]

With that temper you should 100% definitely not be using aas. If you are 27 that's extremely sad, I would guess 16-18.

[gixxerboy1]

lol. well i guess im blonde.
I would go back and edit out some of your post if you like to remain a member here

[TheClinch]

mate who the hell do u think you are? your a no body to me so dont even dare start trying to tell me what i can and cant do. Im considered an adult thus am more than capable of deciding what i want to inject into my body. Who are you or anyone else to advise me against it? You can have ronnie coleman and jay cutler on here telling me not to do it and i wouldnt listen because this is what ive decided to do and not you or any other damn person is going to stop me. ok. If you have nothing nice to say then GTFO of my thread ur no longer welcome cock sucker.

Im the best thing that ever happened to you and you don't even know it yet.

[TheClinch]

lol. well i guess im blonde.
I would go back and edit out some of your post if you like to remain a member here

Just figured because of your avatar. Is blonde some teenage british diss i dont know about? lol

[tlash88]

Even though I'm new to the forum and still young, I made one thread and got the same advice. I was too young. After that it took me less then one hour of research to realize how right the vets where to say that to me.

You can make great gains off of just dieting, trust me I've gained 15 pounds of muscle in the past year from it and I'm also 100% healthy thanks to the advice given from vets on here. You need to realize that just because you put up a thread asking for advice doesn't mean people on here have to give it to you man. Just being honest with you. And with how you treated the experts on here trying to help, your a long way from getting any good advice on a cycle

[TRT2010]

Yeah but he dsnt wanna wait 12 months for some nice solid long lasting gains.. come on you know that lol. Thats just silly lol.. Why wait a year when i can gain 15 lbs in 3 months plus phuck myself up!!! 2 birds one stone sur lol

[tlash88]

Haha I mean screw it, must not plan on living long enough to see what happens if you start to young. Who knows maybe he can follow zyzz's footsteps since he mentioned him

[thex95]

jesus christ kid your lipping of gix? Are you retarded?

[acidking]

Someone popular like arnold or ronnie should come out and warn young people of steroid use, or there'll be nothing to stop 19 yr olds injecting stuff, and nothing we can say here ever will. The forums are flooded with these kids. There are all these zyzz fans idolizing him all over youtube and facebook and the rest of the internet, it's beyond disgusting.

[thex95]

what was the deal with this zyzz dude? Did he just load up on a ton of gear too young and accidently kill himself?

[acidking]

they say he died of congenital heart failure in a sauna while hoildaying bangkok ... no wonder, he's been juicing since 19, i guess it served him right, he enjoyed a couple of years and died at 22.

[thex95]

they say he died of congenital heart failure in a sauna while hoildaying bangkok ... no wonder, he's been juicing since 19, i guess it served him right, he enjoyed a couple of years and died at 22.

what an idiot. That guys story should convince young dudes to stay away from gear.

[Hazard]

To the OP..... you may not liek the advice given and that is fine. You will do as you wish and you must live with those consequences, good or bad. However..... a lot of people on this site don't offer advice to anyone who they feel isn't ready to cycle. It becomes a moral dilema because on one hand we are not your parents..... on the other hand what if I advise you and you end up getting hurt from following my advice?


Lastly..... losing your temper and putting down any member is a sure fire way to get yourself banned. Your membership here isn't a right and you wont be missed..... if you wish to stay you need to curb the attitude.

~Haz~