FIRST CYCLE need comments , maybe excessive precautions?

[BrunkerVic]

hey guys,
my friend is really shook of even making a random account and asking questions himself, so I agreed to post on his behalf.


First Cycle,
24 yo,
84kg (quite lean)
lifting for quite a few years, hard for the last year

wants to try his first cycle

500mg/week Test prop (EOD injections)
Arimidex AND HCG on cycle
nolva and clomid PCT 2-3 weeks

he's curious -- will arimidex prevent the gyno caused as a side effect of HCG.

I think he is being overly cautious about estrogen/gyno, what do you guys think?

his diet is on point, as much as it can be when you're a dr workin 8-12 hr shifts in hospital.



thanks guys, any comments appreciated

[upperhandy]

post up his daily diet
(%carbs/%protein/%fat) and (g carbs/g protein/ g fat)
how many meals/day?
what are they? and what are the caloric (macro) contents of them?

what is his BMR? TDEE?

what are his goals?

[fontazya]

First of all what are the goals for the cycle??
Second 500mg of test prop/week is too high for a first cycle
Third what are the doses for his HCG? doses for PCT?
How long is this cycle going for??

[BrunkerVic]

Bmr 1925.9
tdee 3326

[BrunkerVic]

his goal is to get brunked... what else?

[BrunkerVic]

typical marve in a day:

breakfast
- 1 cup oats with soy milk
- 4 eggs
- 2 pieces fuit usually apples, oranges, pears etc

protein shake between breakfast and lunch

lunch
- 2 chicken breasts or similar serving of fish
- 2-3 cups steamed mixed veggies

shake of mixed spinach/beans/lentils, apples/pears/other fruit, berries, hemp seed, omega oils, wheat germ... something to that effect in between lunch and dinner

protein shake before/after lifting

dinner
- 2 cans or a few packs of tuna, or 2-3 chicken breasts, or a 10-12oz steak etc
- side of brocolli, brussel sprouts, spinach, kale, or similar green

[upperhandy]

the diet needs a lot of work before the cycle begins...

check out these ---> here for nutrition videos
----> here for 3000kcal diet

[BrunkerVic]

its not possible to have an ideal diet for everyone, asking for advice on the substances/function of minimizing side effects, so please post something useful please and thanks. no offense

[upperhandy]

no offense taken....

a cycle without a proper diet is useless....

work on the diet first

[Bonaparte]

That cycle looks fine, except that the SERMs should be run for 4-6 weeks starting 4 days after his last shot.
And how long is the cycle going to be? I would do 8 weeks.
What sort of MD is he?

[BrunkerVic]

8 weeks was the proposed length, sorry I should have included that.

he was a bit rattled i mentioned the fact that hes a doc so i'll have to check with him before divulging any more information.

thanks for your input bonaparte

[MickeyKnox]

24 year old MD? who is this, Doogie Howser??

agreed, not enough cals and serms to last at least 4 wks. and personally, i would use aromasin(stane) instead of arimidex.

[Bonaparte]

24 year old MD? who is this, Doogie Howser??

agreed, not enough cals and serms to last at least 4 wks. and personally, i would use aromasin(stane) instead of arimidex.

Yeah, that's a good point...

[BrunkerVic]

hes in UK

intern year

Internal medicine

he will up the diet.. point taken! thanks

[blksavage]

lol you poser just be honest and how do you know what he eats exactly. dooooogie

[blksavage]

that is one doctor I would never go and see

[blksavage]

what did he start his freshmen year of college at 15 while everyone else's balls were dropping. you guys should be ashamed of giving advice to this kid

[Thor249]

Dude I don't know if this is actually for your friend or you but listen when people tell you.

A diet like that will result in almost zero gains and would be a waste of health and money.

Even with anabolics your body can't grow when it's not being fed correctly. Fix the diet, post it, then look for advice on a cycle.

People here aren't stupid, the advice they give is all from expirience.

[BrunkerVic]

lol@ blksavage. sit down before u get yourself into trouble tuff guy

[ironbeck]

Good luck.....you will do just fine, just make sure to lift heavy twice a week and don't forget your cardio!

[Bonaparte]

what did he start his freshmen year of college at 15 while everyone else's balls were dropping. you guys should be ashamed of giving advice to this kid

His explanation adds up. Keep your unfounded opinions to yourself.