Should I try for Test E or use Sust 250?

[srt4wad]

Well I thought I was good to go and found that because I was getting my goods from a friend of a friend things got mixed up.

I have Sustonon 250 in my hands and wonder if I should start it or try to get Test E. I really wanted to pin tonight becasue everything is in and I was just waiting on the Test. Will this throw off my HCG? I will start HCG 2 weeks in and my AI start of cycle eod up to PCT.

Do I take my AI today or tomorrow? I will be doing 500mg a week 250 WED and 250 SAT is that fine does not matter the days does it? Should I still do a 12 week cycle or back to 10wk?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
Wade

[DamageDealer]

my take on AI's is you take them when you need to, i.e. when you feel the test working.

[srt4wad]

Ok thanks on the AI question.

Now if anybody and input on the Test question on hand, should I go ahead and start Sustanon or wait and try to get Test E? If we deciede to go with the Sustanon do I wait 14 days or 21 days after last pin to start PCT. I have read somethings and still unclear on when to start PCT with Sustanon.

I guess me question or either Test E or Sustanon is about the pros and cons, is one so much better than the other? If the sides are same then it comes down to outcome I guess. Please having a single Test I guess is easier to determin half life and when to start PCT?

Thanks
Wade

[DanB]

what is your stats mate

[srt4wad]

Sorry bout that.

30
5'11
190lb (11-15bf) I will post pics tonight for beginning to end comparison

[DanB]

What you mean your not 16-19 wtf?????

Haha your the first over 18 I have seen all day lol

Start your a.i when you pin or the day after, its up to you

PCT start 18 days after last pin, just run the sustanon since you have it, there isnt really much difference anyway

Now what you could do is try obtain some prop to run for final 2 weeks then you wont have to wait so long to start your pct, but this is eod pins and you may not be mad on that idea. . . .

[srt4wad]

Cool, man I really appreciate it.

I feel stupid asking some questions becasue I do try to do my research before posting and sometimes I might not use the correct wording and I don't find anything. Thats why I ask and when I get good replys I don't feel stupid.

I have seen alot of "Do I need PCT" questions and I just feel bad for those guys because you know somebody is about to light them up. I had done all I could, got all my PCT stuff plus the AI a few weeks ago and ordered the HCG last week and today decided to pull the trigger and get the test.

Now, should I do 10 or 12 weeks?

[JDBeretta]

Suggestion...

If you're running the sus, maybe pin EOD so you take full advantage of the short ester propionate in it.

As for the AI, I would not use it until or if you start retaining a lot of water and/or your nipples start to itch.

I would run 12 weeks, but that's just me.

Enjoy your cycle!!

[magicstick2003]

I agree with JD if sust is all you have you might as well take advantage of all the esters in it. since the shortest one is prop EOD injects would the only way to keep them stable in the blood (just sucks cause it's EOD, although on the plus side the actual volume is less per shot so areas like chest aren't an issue). As far as everyone saying to wait on the AI i have to disagree, you need to start it when you begin your cycle so it can reach appropriate blood levels before you get behind the ball (waiting for signs of estrogen). Also as someone on here had posted a study (can't remember for the life of me who) the goal is to control estrogen at a normal range when on cycle, not let it spike way the hell up or drop to near zero...

[srt4wad]

EOD? How would I pull that? Would I still do 500mg per week? Thats like 166mg how would I do that on my 3ml syringe?

I have enough AI to run from start and up to PCT, I don't mind taking it if it will help to not wait.

As far as injection sites could I do one in each leg and then the delt or chest?

[JDBeretta]

I would do 150mg/eod. What's your sus dosed at?

Also, what AI are you running?

[magicstick2003]

I always use a 14 day scheme when I calculate my dose to make math easier. 500mg/wk= 1000/ 14 days (2wks). 14 days at EOD = 7 shots. 1000/ 7= 142.85. I don't know what strength your gear is but I would guess 250/ cc? if thats the case then (142.85/250 = .57 round to .6 ml (cc) EOD. I'm assuming you can read the syringe. It'll give you slightly more than 500/ wk (525/wk).

With this small volume it won't be hard to shoot EOD. you'll have 8 areas to cycle through (shoulders, chest, quads, glutes)

[JDBeretta]

And for my pins, I do them all in my glutes. You could rotate to quads and delts if you like.

[JDBeretta]

I always use a 14 day scheme when I calculate my dose to make math easier. 500mg/wk= 1000/ 14 days (2wks). 14 days at EOD = 7 shots. 1000/ 7= 142.85. I don't know what strength your gear is but I would guess 250/ cc? if thats the case then (142.85/250 = .57 round to .6 ml (cc) EOD. I'm assuming you can read the syringe. It'll give you slightly more than 500/ wk (525/wk).

With this small volume it won't be hard to shoot EOD. you'll have 8 areas to cycle through (shoulders, chest, quads, glutes)

Lol, that was my logic, but I just went 500/7 to equal 71.4, multiplied it by 2 to get 142(ish)... Bump to 150 for rounding sake.

If your sus is dosed at 250, divide 150/250 to get .6. Easy enough to measure. Get 1cc syringes if needed for accurate measure.

[ghettoboyd]

EOD? How would I pull that? Would I still do 500mg per week? Thats like 166mg how would I do that on my 3ml syringe?

I have enough AI to run from start and up to PCT, I don't mind taking it if it will help to not wait.

As far as injection sites could I do one in each leg and then the delt or chest?

dont over complicate things bro as your green to all of this...id keep it simple with injections every 3.5 days as i doubt you will even notice the difference not that you have anything to compare it to....you will start to feel like a pin cushion with eod injects if you have never injected before not to mention you will need multiple injection sites other than the glutes...i dont know what kind of experience you have if any so consider what i have said...good luck...

[gonebluffn]

I agree you only need to pin twice a week on sust

[magicstick2003]

OR just get some test E if that an option and save the sust.

[srt4wad]

See this all to confusing, I understand I am green but we must all start somewhere and I just want to get the most out of what I have. Test E is not happening I guess since I could not get that now and have waited longer then I wanted to start.

So either 3.5 days or EOD, I don't know I think my head is going to explode. HAHAHA

[JDBeretta]

Just stick with sus and pin .6ml (same as .6cc) eod.

Confirm that it's dosed at 250mg/ml.

Simple.

Start pct 18 days after last pin.

[magicstick2003]

well think of it this way. the sust is a mixture of several different esters of testosterone (the thing attached to the hormone which dictates how long it takes to absorb). With the sust injecting 2xs per week will cause the short ester (propionate) to keep fluctuating. the longer ester will remain stable because it's half life is long enough to allow for bi weekly shots. You've waited this long whats an extra week to wait and get the test E???? being impatient is the last thing you want to do. Please tell me you have all your anti-e and PCT items on hand. Do not start without those because in the event something happens you want to know you have everything you need to run the whole cycle (rather then starting and not being able to get you clomid or nolva).

As people said you can run the sust 2 xs a week BUT you're not using it to its full potential (blood levels of the various esters will fluctuate causing dips and spikes which have the potential to increase the likely hood of sides). I would do EOD shots (what better way to start, everything after will be a cake walk) OR get Test E and do it 2xs a week.

[ghettoboyd]

See this all to confusing, I understand I am green but we must all start somewhere and I just want to get the most out of what I have. Test E is not happening I guess since I could not get that now and have waited longer then I wanted to start.

So either 3.5 days or EOD, I don't know I think my head is going to explode. HAHAHA

its not confusing bro its your personal choice.weather to pin ed eod or 2x per week...you will see results eather way...do what you want but like i said keep it simple..have you pinned before?...how do you feel pain wise post injection?.. all things to consider if you dont know cus if the pip is to much you will end up quitting your cycle or not be able to work out cus of the pain and or swelling...you make the call...but why not try 2x a week and see how it goes and then you will learn how you handle pip(post injection pain) and weather or not you want to try shorter esters like prop in the future...dont put the cart before the horse bro, just saying....

[magicstick2003]

I was reading over my post and don't get me wrong many many people use sust and shoot 2x a wk with favorable results. The EOD injects are just what I would do personally. In my eyes if I bought sust why not get the maximum out of it by trying to keep blood levels as stable as possible. It's not easy shooting EOD and like ghetto said if you can't handle it you'll likely quit. If I were you I would wait the extra little bit of time and get your hands on the Test E. Save the sust for another cycle down the road.

[srt4wad]

These are all great points and I greatly appreciate it.

Yes I have all PCT on hand, Clomid and Nolvadex I also have (AI) Liquidex and my HCG is on its way in NY right now should be here in time two start it in two weeks.

Yes it is a 10ml bottle at 250mg/ml

I am not sure about PIP since I have never done injections before. We will have to see

I don't mind doing it EOD since I have the sust on hand I am going to run with it.

As for as reading the syringe .6 would be the line after the half ml mark corret?

I am going to pin tonight and start the AI in the morning and run it throught up to start of PCT

[ironbeck]

A 10ml bottle will only give you 5 weeks?

[srt4wad]

I am getting two more this weekend.

[stpete]

Wait till you have the others on hand.

[srt4wad]

He has them I just need to pick them up but I can't until this weekend since I don't have a chance to go over that way until the weekend.

[stpete]

Just trying to help from personal experience. Good luck on your cycle!

[JDBeretta]

Yes, .6 is the line above 1/2 a cc.

Get all your bottles before you pin. Have it all laid out in front of you like mentioned above...

Do you know what dosage you are starting on the liquidex? Do .25mgs/eod to start.

[srt4wad]

Just trying to help from personal experience. Good luck on your cycle!

No bro I ment no disrespect I totally understand I talked to him yesterday and he said he had them and I can come get them anytime, he lives about 45 minutes from me and I don't have time during the week to ride over there. Work kids all that good stuff.

Thanks though, I know you only mean to help I have see a lot of your post and you don't seem to be one to bash you know.

[srt4wad]

My plan was .25 ed then I seen .25 oed so I will start in the morning with .25 eod and see how it goes.

[JDBeretta]

Eod @ .25 is good to start. You don't want to totally suppress your estrogen levels.

You'll know if you need to bump.

[jamotech]

500 mg sust a week, .25 ED is for sure too much for that test dose. It all depends on your body. If you start to feel like crap after taking your AI, your E2 is most likely tanking.
Hell, .25 EOD may be too much, or not enough, just look out for the high and low signs, like I said it all depends on your body.

As far as your test dose, just do it twice a week. The only reason people do it eod is to properly utilize the prop in it. Twice a week, the prop is not being dosed the way it should. Thats only 1 ester out of 4, the other 3 are fine for 2x week. You should only purchase sust if your gonna do it EOD, otherwise just get cyp or enth... but in your situation if its all you have then you dont HAVE to do it EOD. Hope this takes out some stress!

[srt4wad]

I don't mind doing it eod since its all I can get right now I might as well use all of its properties. LOL my next go at this I will have to find a better source I guess or bite the bullet and try a source online. My HCG is still one its way has not been stopped I might get my test from them next go.

Well I have decided to pin in the morning its getting late and I am tired I will post update in the am and maybe start the log thread.

Thanks

[Turkish Juicer]

As far as everyone saying to wait on the AI i have to disagree, you need to start it when you begin your cycle so it can reach appropriate blood levels before you get behind the ball (waiting for signs of estrogen).

Most AI's have very short biological lives, which is why one can start them as soon as one starts experiencing elevated estrogen and still not fall behind the schedule as far as reaching appropriate blood levels is concerned.

It is pointless to start Aromasin per se, at day 1 of a 12 week Test E cycle, since Test E will take about 5 weeks to peak. Not to mention a rapid decline in estrogen can cause a series of health hazards for the user if started before elevated estrogen levels.

[MR10X]

Just because your not showing any signs of excess estrogen does not mean aromatization is not occurring. Indeed it is, and since cycles similar to yours
result in an fT:E-2 ratio exceeding 200 (estrogen and testosterone are both INCREASING yet fT much more than E-2) thereby completely suppressing the HTPA you will feel and look like a puffed pig upon its discontinuation. Because absent vigilant PCT planning the ratio flips (estrogen > testosterone).
Subsequently, I suspect your next thread will be how to reverse your new found female phenotype. But then again, if some people simply refuse to listen to logic...then so be it.

[srt4wad]

Well I am not dead or convulsing on the floor, I guess I did it right.

Took the 25g pin pulled .6cc Sust put 20g pin on put in laterial side of thigh pull up a little did not see any blood pushed unitl she was all gone. Well I have a different class, same out come just bigger than natural I hope. LOL

Not as bad as I thought it was going to be when through about 4 alcohol wipes and a little guilt after it was done. Went and ate my oatmeal, apple and protein shake came to work and thats that I guess.

My question now is how do you know to inject (smaller dose) I know it may be to soon but I don't feel any discomfort. Will the discomfort be like a muscle sore discomfort? Meaning I will feel it tomorrow or next day?

[bodybycookiesandcake]

8 hours too the minute for virgin muscle.

[bodybycookiesandcake]

u drew with 25 and shot with 20?

ive never been ableto draw with a 25

[srt4wad]

My bad 20 pull 25 pin, got all quick with the post. My combo is 3ml with 20 pins and then I bought 25g for inj. My bad.