lowering test when adding in another substance

[deball85]

whats going on guys. 26 years young, 5'11, 230lbs.

Little background, basically, I respond extremely well to test. First cycle ran 300 test, nothing else, with absolutely phenomenal results. That was 2 years ago. At the beggining of my current cycle, I was using 250 test cyp (a week) + a oral kickstart (h-drol) + GH. Also have had phenomenal results, gained 15 clean lean pounds while shedding a bit of fat, and have kept it all. Once the oral ended, I bumped up my cyp to 350, and continued on with the GH as well. (Im also using HCG 250 2x a week and A-dex as needed) .

As of now, I been using test @ 350 a week ever since then (with my gh). Many will say "the test is too low", but Im gaining at an extremely nice pace so I'm perfectly content. The less needed the better imo, could be synergy with the HGH that's really helping as well. I just happen to be an overall really good responder to test, go figure. My friend using the same stuff needs double of what I'm using to get similar results as me.


Well anyway, I have EQ, and was thinking of adding some in. I would like to lower the dose of test, as I'm prone to MPB. 250mg of test with my oral proved to be amazing as far as gains and libido went, and I of course bumped it to 350 to accommodate for the lack of the oral since then. Lately I been thinking of adding in EQ, which has less androgenic sides then test, and provides some additional lean muscle gains, and lowering my test back down to 300 or maybe even 250 again. This would provide less androgenic sides overall (saves me from the MPB), and the same if not better results overall as well with the addition of EQ in the mix now.

I know people don't like running EQ higher then test,but haven't seen a real reason for it yet other then people spewing out what they read from others. I'm really curious what people think of adding in EQ, and keeping test low, i.e. at 250-300 for libido/test base purposes.

thanks!

[Metalject]

A test dose of 250mg/wk might be able to protect your libido if the EQ dose doesn't go too high. You might be able to get away with Test/250mg/wk, EQ/300mg/wk. Then again, you might not. Hard to say with absolute certainty until you try. You can always try a plan like that and if your libido suffers bump the test back up a little and the problem's solved.

Also, I wouldn't compare the muscle gains of test to EQ. I know EQ is testosterone derived but its anabolic activity in this sense doesn't seem to translate in real life like testosterone. It can through synergy promote more gains like this, but I wouldn't expect anything amazing. I prefer EQ in cutting cycles, the front end of cutting cycles as a lean tissue preserver before adding in the conditioning related steroids later on. Of course, in your plan your strength should increase somewhat due to the EQ and you can use this to your advantage to grow if you train properly. It's a mild plan to say the least, but you should see some results.

[Mr_Prop_var_Testen]

This is what I'm doing right now I found my sweet spot in test I ~300 test e ew
When I took 500 test prop on my first cycle I blew up and was too much for me I'm now on my 2nd cycle of 150 test e and 200 primo e3d
And I'm loving it libido is through the roof test drive is good but not incredible like on 500 mg test solo but good. But I now know what ppl are saying test should be higher than everything else I know where they're coming from.
When test is higher I was a sex monster... Lol!!!
Good luck

[Metalject]

This is what I'm doing right now I found my sweet spot in test I ~300 test e ew
When I took 500 test prop on my first cycle I blew up and was too much for me I'm now on my 2nd cycle of 150 test e and 200 primo e3d
And I'm loving it libido is through the roof test drive is good but not incredible like on 500 mg test solo but good. But I now know what ppl are saying test should be higher than everything else I know where they're coming from.
When test is higher I was a sex monster... Lol!!!
Good luck

Test doesn't always have to be higher. In most cases it should be but there are exceptions. Personally, I love a TRT level dose of Test and 100mg of Tren/eod along with 50mg of Dbol...no issues. Now I've run much higher doses of Tren and in those cases I needed a lot more test but you can create a balance with lower doses of test if you plan everything out right.

[panntastic]

Test doesn't need to be higher buddy but 300mg EQ isn't worth taking at all.
I've always been led to believe that as long as your using test it doesn't matter if any other compound is higher because your supplementing your natural test with aas.
But EQ needs to be used in high doses (6/800mg per week) for long periods of time (12/15 weeks) for any effects to come to light.
I think this is where it's got it's bad rep from, people using to little for to short a time.

By all means I'm not saying this is gospel and it's what you should do but bear it in mind.

[deball85]

Test doesn't need to be higher buddy but 300mg EQ isn't worth taking at all.
I've always been led to believe that as long as your using test it doesn't matter if any other compound is higher because your supplementing your natural test with aas.
But EQ needs to be used in high doses (6/800mg per week) for long periods of time (12/15 weeks) for any effects to come to light.
I think this is where it's got it's bad rep from, people using to little for to short a time.

By all means I'm not saying this is gospel and it's what you should do but bear it in mind.

I haven't listed an EQ dosage I would use yet. If anything, I was thinking of 500 off the bat to see how it would go with a lower test dose (250-300).


Glad to hear others have done similar things in this thread.

[deball85]

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