Did the TEST only cycles. What is next for me?

[luda281]

Done a couple of test cycles now. One with tbol. Never really acheived the results I wanted. I'm researching into my next cycle. Any suggestions?


29yo
5'7"
165lbs
9% bf
Lifting 6 years competitively


I'm hearing tren, primo, anavar..what do you guys think? Another test base but stack with something else?

[Bevsta123]

adding a kickstart? tren you need another 2-4 cycles under your belt.

but all honesty your 165lbs, it doesnt sound like you know how to diet? you could be 29 and able to use AAS but its all pointless without a propper diet.

Post up your diet on this thread and here: http://forums.steroid.com/forumdispl...RESOURCE-FORUM
the members will assist you, you may say and think you have a good diet but still just post it up cause im 10% bf and between 160-170lbs and gaining well due to my diet changed, only been lifting for a year at that.

[luda281]

I did the 2nd with tbol from geneza. Just didn't feel that kick like I thought. What else is there?


I'm not looking to gain 20lbs. Just 5-10 lbs

[BlueWaffle21]

I did the 2nd with tbol from geneza. Just didn't feel that kick like I thought. What else is there?


I'm not looking to gain 20lbs. Just 5-10 lbs

You can do this without steroids, talk to the nutrition gurus!!

[luda281]

You can do this without steroids, talk to the nutrition gurus!!

Lol not for me. Trust me it's not as easy as it sounds. With my genetics sky rocket metabolism I can't gain 10lbs from eating. I use to be 125lbs. I know for others it's easy to gain weight but everyone in my family is skinny

[luda281]

But I will check out that nutrition thing

[luda281]

Lol diet is not very good. It's just genetics. I can't eat a lot. I use to be 125lbs. My body is just not use to eating 6 meals a day. I'd be lucky to get in 5 meals. But I do try to cover as much protein, carbs, and calories as possible

[Bevsta123]

Lol diet is not very good. It's just genetics. I can't eat a lot. I use to be 125lbs. My body is just not use to eating 6 meals a day. I'd be lucky to get in 5 meals. But I do try to cover as much protein, carbs, and calories as possible

honestly find it hard to believe you competed for 6 years then? like i said above post up your diet.

[luda281]

honestly find it hard to believe you competed for 6 years then? like i said above post up your diet.

Not shows I meant just lifting competitively. Bodybuilding. I've lifted weights since high school

[Capebuffalo]

honestly find it hard to believe you competed for 6 years then? like i said above post up your diet.

Let's try this again. List everything you ate yesterday. Bevsta

[kelkel]

Lol diet is not very good. It's just genetics. I can't eat a lot. I use to be 125lbs. My body is just not use to eating 6 meals a day. I'd be lucky to get in 5 meals. But I do try to cover as much protein, carbs, and calories as possible

What do you mean you can't eat a lot? Just because you have a fast metabolism and are probably ectomorphic in body type you can still improve your diet and make gains.

[luda281]

What do you mean you can't eat a lot? Just because you have a fast metabolism and are probably ectomorphic in body type you can still improve your diet and make gains.

With my line of work and schedule it's just difficult for me to eat when I want and what I want. I get in about 4-5 meals a day with a. Shake post workout. That's what I'm capable of.


So yes with this cycle I will improve diet to maximize gains. But 10lbs naturally I don't think it's possible for me
Unless its fat gains

[Juced_porkchop]

Lol diet is not very good. It's just genetics. I can't eat a lot. I use to be 125lbs. My body is just not use to eating 6 meals a day. I'd be lucky to get in 5 meals. But I do try to cover as much protein, carbs, and calories as possible

then no point to aas.
you wopnt gains if you cant eata nd train. take tumeric root or ginger root pils 2X a day to make you eat more (good for you too)
you need diet not aas in my OP aswell.


PS. add in lots of good fats like olive oil to everything you can (pasta, protein drinks, foods ect.) helps with gains and cals

also peanutbutter is calori dense
you need calori dense
you can get cals in in 3-4 meals but 5 I like most (+ snack).

[luda281]

then no point to aas.
you wopnt gains if you cant eata nd train. take tumeric root or ginger root pils 2X a day to make you eat more (good for you too)
you need diet not aas in my OP aswell.




PS. add in lots of good fats like olive oil to everything you can (pasta, protein drinks, foods ect.) helps with gains and cals

also peanutbutter is calori dense
you need calori dense
you can get cals in in 3-4 meals but 5 I like most (+ snack).

Lol I've already done aas and i get gains I just eat more. But thanks I'll do your diet tips

[Juced_porkchop]

Lol I've already done aas and i get gains I just eat more. But thanks I'll do your diet tips

you want to look for "calori dense food" even just googling that term will help you.
and the ginger and/or tumeric pill / tea idea is a VERY good one. will give you the munchies and help with digestion. i would not take it none stop maybe few weeks on couple off or something like that. (i mean for high doses daily use, having some in your food here and there i would not worrie about having on the reg)

I dont eat meat so I am an oddball when it comes to bbing and diet but 195 13%bf and 5'7" is HUGE for me. my end goal is justr 220 but that will look MASSIVE. because i am NOT talking fat or water.
shit look up franco columbo , he was 5'6" or 5'7" and contest lbs was only around 180 and he look INSAIN (better then me by far ofcourse) so a LEAN 200 at 5'7" would look like a monster.
screw it i want to post the links to who i am talking about for the lazy's or newbies that dont think 180 is much (it can be):
LINKS:
http://www.shafatloss.com/wp-content...co-columbu.jpg
http://jansodds.com/wp-content/uploa...ncoColumbu.jpg
http://www.muscleandfitness.com/site...mages/2626.jpg
http://www.dutchbodybuilding.com/gal...olumbu_046.jpg

https://www.google.ca/search?q=franc...ed=0CAgQ_AUoAQ

[jasc]

I agree with above, your diet may need a re-work. Never hurts to check

As far as the cycle, what are your goals?

[luda281]

I agree with above, your diet may need a re-work. Never hurts to check

As far as the cycle, what are your goals?

I've been told that im ready to do a an amateur show now. So I think I'm in pretty good shape. Not looking to gain 20lbs. Just 5-10 solid good weight

[Lunk1]

Detail your previous cycles and gains for me please.

[luda281]

Detail your previous cycles and gains for me please.

Started at about 135
got up to 145 naturally
Some phs got me into the 150s
Aas got me in the 160s test and test and tbol


So I've been maintaining gains

[Lunk1]

Started at about 135
got up to 145 naturally
Some phs got me into the 150s
Aas got me in the 160s test and test and tbol


So I've been maintaining gains

I mean deatil the tests cycles ie: doses, AI's PCT's specific gfains on each cycle if you know.

[luda281]

I mean deatil the tests cycles ie: doses, AI's PCT's specific gfains on each cycle if you know.

Cycle 1: test e 500mg only.10 weeks. Pct 4 weeks: nolvadex, test booster, formastanzol
Gains:6-7lbs

Cycle 2: 12 weeks test e 500mg + tbol 40mg + aromasin 12.5ed. Pct nolvadex, test booster
Gains: 9lbs

[gixxerboy1]

if you cant eat more your wasting your time. You cant build muscle out of nothing. And if you eating as a 165lber you will stay at 165lb not matter what you take

i was threw college wrestling 119-125. i'm also 5'6 with good diet i got to 165lb naturally. And am close to 200 now. Its all diet

[luda281]

if you cant eat more your wasting your time. You cant build muscle out of nothing. And if you eating as a 165lber you will stay at 165lb not matter what you take

i was threw college wrestling 119-125. i'm also 5'6 with good diet i got to 165lb naturally. And am close to 200 now. Its all diet

I've been Eating like this since I was 135lb. trust me you can gain without eating a ton. You won't be huge but you can still gain. I do 0 cardio. None at all and I'm at 9%. Like I said I don't want to be 5'7" 200 lbs. that's not proportional to me.

[luda281]

I do this to have a great physique. I'm not doing it to be the biggest guy in the gym. Honestly 10lbs is the max I would want to gain. Are you really happy at 5'6" 200lbs? That's unhealthy and you're carrying a lot of unhealthy weight.


I know I don't eat like a 200 lber its because I don want to be 200lbs

[luda281]

Not trying to bash you bro just Saying I think you think I want to be yor size but that's note goal

[JohnnyVegas]

I can't eat a lot. I use to be 125lbs. My body is just not use to eating 6 meals a day. I'd be lucky to get in 5 meals.

Lol not for me. Trust me it's not as easy as it sounds. With my genetics sky rocket metabolism I can't gain 10lbs from eating. I use to be 125lbs. I know for others it's easy to gain weight but everyone in my family is skinny

Confused. Which is it? Can you not make yourself eat enough food (post 1) or do you eat a ton of food but your metabolism makes it hard to gain (post 2)?

I am not giving you a hard time, just trying understand.

Regardless, the drugs will help you gain faster but they don't make you magically grow. Like gixxer said, you need to eat right in order for the body to have the building blocks it needs to build muscle.

Eating isn't about being hungry. It is about having a plan and sticking to it.

[luda281]

Confused. Which is it? Can you not make yourself eat enough food (post 1) or do you eat a ton of food but your metabolism makes it hard to gain (post 2)?

I am not giving you a hard time, just trying understand.

Regardless, the drugs will help you gain faster but they don't make you magically grow. Like gixxer said, you need to eat right in order for the body to have the building blocks it needs to build muscle.

Eating isn't about being hungry. It is about having a plan and sticking to it.

Both. I'm having issues getting enough food in and my metabolism
Is through the roof. Like I said how many guys do you know do ZERO cardio and at 9%? It's that bad so for me its a struggle to gain more size. Some guys will never look lean so they just keep
Bulking. Everyone has their disadvantages. Trust me, I try to eat on cycle. I'm
Not gonna waste my time and money. Just saying it could be better

[luda281]

So does anyone at all have a suggestion on what I could try for my next cycle?

[Brohim]

500mg of test only got you 6lbs your gear is underdosed or something else is wrong.

[gixxerboy1]

No im not saying you want to be my size. But your not going to maintane 175 unless you east more.

And yes I'm happy at 200 and lean. And my wife likes juice heads

[Live for the PUMP]

No im not saying you want to be my size. But your not going to maintane 175 unless you east more.

And yes I'm happy at 200 and lean. And my wife likes juice heads

5'6" and 200lbs/lean. Brotha that is Bad Ass!!

I'm a short stocky lifter too. I love it when the tall guy tells me, "my arms are bigger because they are shorter". No D*ck, my arms are just f'n big.

[Evrael]

I don't think most of the people on this forum are familiar with your situation. I'm assuming most of them juice to get HUGE and all eat tons a day in order to do so. I would agree that at 5'7, 175 is a good weight to shoot for if not trying to look like a monster. However if you are only eating 1500-2000 calories a day you might have a lot of trouble getting there. And if you DID get there, you would lose the gains with that diet after your cycle ended.

[gixxerboy1]

500mg of test only got you 6lbs your gear is underdosed or something else is wrong.

Its his diet

[Brohim]

Its his diet

This seems to be the case. And no drugs will help a poor diet. If you have a superman metabolism you need to be eating every 2 hrs. and increase your cal's.

[luda281]

Seriously I dont understand. You guys talk about having forums to help people and call people your bros but noone ever seems to want to help. I mean do you guys have the perfect body, perfect workouts, and perfect diets? Am I missing something here? Obviously if I didn't gain from my previous cycles with an ok diet then I wouldn't be trying to cycle again lol.


I just don't uderstand it. I do two cycles a year. I'm not abusing. I'm sure some of you guy do 4-5 because people start depending on the "on" feel. But I'm not good enough to get help.


I'm asking a simple question. What's your opinion on a stack above just test e?

I mean if you guys dont think I deserve any suggestions then I completely understand. I'll just go somewhere else to ask for help. No hard feelings.

Seriously my diet is average. I'm prob show ready now but you guys put me down as if I'm some overweight noob. And in another thread you guys tell others to get their bf% down first but in mine you say get it up. Lol seems like some
Bros just don't want to help

[Lunk1]

Cycle 1: test e 500mg only.10 weeks. Pct 4 weeks: nolvadex, test booster, formastanzol
Gains:6-7lbs

Cycle 2: 12 weeks test e 500mg + tbol 40mg + aromasin 12.5ed. Pct nolvadex, test booster
Gains: 9lbs

I've been told that im ready to do a an amateur show now. So I think I'm in pretty good shape. Not looking to gain 20lbs. Just 5-10 solid good weight

You want 10 lbs...this worked for you before...do it again! Why fix what isn't broke!!!

[JohnnyVegas]

Seriously I dont understand. You guys talk about having forums to help people and call people your bros but noone ever seems to want to help. I mean do you guys have the perfect body, perfect workouts, and perfect diets? Am I missing something here? Obviously if I didn't gain from my previous cycles with an ok diet then I wouldn't be trying to cycle again lol.


I just don't uderstand it. I do two cycles a year. I'm not abusing. I'm sure some of you guy do 4-5 because people start depending on the "on" feel. But I'm not good enough to get help.


I'm asking a simple question. What's your opinion on a stack above just test e?

I mean if you guys dont think I deserve any suggestions then I completely understand. I'll just go somewhere else to ask for help. No hard feelings.

Seriously my diet is average. I'm prob show ready now but you guys put me down as if I'm some overweight noob. And in another thread you guys tell others to get their bf% down first but in mine you say get it up. Lol seems like some
Bros just don't want to help

I see you are frustrated that your specific question wasn't answered. That happened because everyone here thought your real question was, "how can I put on more muscle." They want to make sure that you don't just take a larger risk with your health with little reward. Just saying, "add some Deca to your Test" wouldn't really by a complete answer.

[Misery13]

Seriously I dont understand. You guys talk about having forums to help people and call people your bros but noone ever seems to want to help. I mean do you guys have the perfect body, perfect workouts, and perfect diets? Am I missing something here? Obviously if I didn't gain from my previous cycles with an ok diet then I wouldn't be trying to cycle again lol


I just don't uderstand it. I do two cycles a year. I'm not abusing. I'm sure some of you guy do 4-5 because people start depending on the "on" feel. But I'm not good enough to get help.


I'm asking a simple question. What's your opinion on a stack above just test e?

I mean if you guys dont think I deserve any suggestions then I completely understand. I'll just go somewhere else to ask for help. No hard feelings.

Seriously my diet is average. I'm prob show ready now but you guys put me down as if I'm some overweight noob. And in another thread you guys tell others to get their bf% down first but in mine you say get it up. Lol seems like some
Bros just don't want to help

Everyone has the same questions. But not everyone gets the same answer. You asked a question and posted your stats. They gave you the best advice based off of what we know about you. I'm sorry that you didn't like it, but honestly its what you need to do. I don't know what it is that you do for a living that doesn't allow for you to eat enough. But there are 24hrs in a day. I have gained 110lbs in the last 17yrs. I'm a SF soldier in the United States Army. Find the ****ing time. Do what your told by the highly intelligent people who's time your wasting on this fine board or go away. That is all for now.

[Lunk1]

Everyone has the same questions. But not everyone gets the same answer. You asked a question and posted your stats. They gave you the best advice based off of what we know about you. I'm sorry that you didn't like it, but honestly its what you need to do. I don't know what it is that you do for a living that doesn't allow for you to eat enough. But there are 24hrs in a day. I have gained 110lbs in the last 17yrs. I'm a SF soldier in the United States Army. Find the ****ing time. Do what your told by the highly intelligent people who's time your wasting on this fine board or go away. That is all for now.

Man after my heart right there! Tell it how it is...no suger coating. Even if he is Army

[luda281]

Everyone talks about eating big. Seems to me some of you guys worry too much about getting bigger because you can't cut down. Seriously no offense but the pics in your avatar hardly show someone who should be eating more. I mean we are all here for bodybuilding right? Not power lifters


If eating a perfect diet was that easy, we'd all be Jay cutlers and Ronnie Colemans. Look I'm not the perfect bodybuilder. But I'm working to get everything right. It doesn't happen overnight