sust vs test e for first cycle

[paul606]

hey all

i've done a lot of research the past few months as i'm looking at starting my first cycle soon. i'm currently tossing up between a 10 week cycle of either sustanon 250 or test enanthate. i have heard mixed suggestions as to what would be best for my first cycle; sust 250 because it is human grade and faster acting however you need to pin more regularly, test e because it's simpler to administer and you don't need to pin as regularly although it's not human grade like sust.

i would actually prefer test e due to the less frequent pinning but the only thing concerning me is that it's not human grade like sust 250, is that anything to worry about?

thanks

[austinite]

They pin the same. What are your stats?

[gixxerboy1]

They both come human grade and ugl. And both are injected twice a week

[paul606]

sorry i got sust confused with test prop which is an ed/eod pin.

stats: 26, 5'7, 176lbs, ~15%bf

which would be better for my first cycle? im still leaning towards test e

[austinite]

sorry i got sust confused with test prop which is an ed/eod pin.

stats: 26, 5'7, 176lbs, ~15%bf

which would be better for my first cycle? im still leaning towards test e

Just run e

[kronik420]

id go test e.

[MickeyKnox]

test e.

ill say it..i don't know why anyone would run sust other if that, if all you can get so be it. i see absolutely no advantage using sust OVER test e or cyp or any other long ester.

[West Coast Winner]

My first cycle was androoen 275(similar to sust) for my next cycle I was thinking test c. But test e wouldn't be a bad idea either. I wouldn't do sust if I knew where to some test c or e.

[paul606]

thanks for the replies, test e it is then.
was looking at dosing 500mg/week, 250mg twice weekly. would this be a good start or a bit high for my first cycle?

also what ai should i run with? and should i run it start of the cycle or only if sides start to occur?

[austinite]

Also, I hope this cycle isnt planned for anytime soon. You have tons of research to do still. Good luck.

[West Coast Winner]

thanks for the replies, test e it is then.
was looking at dosing 500mg/week, 250mg twice weekly. would this be a good start or a bit high for my first cycle?

also what ai should i run with? and should i run it start of the cycle or only if sides start to occur?

Ya 250x2 a week is just right. If you want to make it easy, go to ar-r banner and get their liquidex, clomid, and tamox(their nolvadex).

[West Coast Winner]

Also, I hope this cycle isnt planned for anytime soon. You have tons of research to do still. Good luck.

I'd have to agree with austinite with this one.

[austinite]

thanks for the replies, test e it is then.
was looking at dosing 500mg/week, 250mg twice weekly. would this be a good start or a bit high for my first cycle?

also what ai should i run with? and should i run it start of the cycle or only if sides start to occur?

Week 1 to 12 -- Test E @ 500mg EW pinned twice weekly. Every 3.5 days is best.
Week 1 to 12 -- Adex @ .25 EOD (lower elevated estrogen levels)
Week 1 to 12 -- HCG @ 250iu twice weekly (Faster recovery and prevents testicular atrophy)

Stop all the above, wait 14 days and start your PCT of clomid 100/50/50/50 and novla 40/20/20/20 (each number is representative of the daily dose for that week for a total of 4 weeks)

Don't do this without fixing your diet first. Keep researching please.

Best of luck.

[gearbox]

thanks for the replies, test e it is then.
was looking at dosing 500mg/week, 250mg twice weekly. would this be a good start or a bit high for my first cycle?

also what ai should i run with? and should i run it start of the cycle or only if sides start to occur?

I would start reading some more before you start your cycle. Your questions are very basic and I'm happy to answer However I would feel more comfortable if you had more knowledge regarding steroids Before you start your cycle. Yes you need to run an ai.
Start with .25eod
Hcg also
Good luck and start reading

[paul606]

i definitely won't be starting a cycle too soon as i know i have a lot to learn first.

Week 1 to 12 -- Test E @ 500mg EW pinned twice weekly. Every 3.5 days is best.

yep fully understood

Week 1 to 12 -- Adex @ .25 EOD (lower elevated estrogen levels)

id probably get some liquidex from ar-r, does it come in any other forms like pill?

Week 1 to 12 -- HCG @ 250iu twice weekly (Faster recovery and prevents testicular atrophy)

where would this be purchased from? and again, what forms do it come in?

Stop all the above, wait 14 days and start your PCT of clomid 100/50/50/50 and novla 40/20/20/20 (each number is representative of the daily dose for that week for a total of 4 weeks)

okay so basically wait 2 weeks and start PCT at week 14? as for dosage, clomid = 100mg/day for 1 week then 50mg/day for the remaining 3?

Don't do this without fixing your diet first.

diet is 100% in check, it always is, it's become a lifestyle for me when i started training 6 year ago and dropped 20%bf.

[austinite]

i definitely won't be starting a cycle too soon as i know i have a lot to learn first.


yep fully understood


id probably get some liquidex from ar-r, does it come in any other forms like pill? Yes. They're all oral, either tab or liquid.


where would this be purchased from? and again, what forms do it come in? Don't know. You can't ask that.


okay so basically wait 2 weeks and start PCT at week 14? as for dosage, clomid = 100mg/day for 1 week then 50mg/day for the remaining 3? Correct.


diet is 100% in check, it always is, it's become a lifestyle for me when i started training 6 year ago and dropped 20%bf.

See red text.

[paul606]

my tdee is 2500, my intentions were to do a 3500 cal clean bulk on test e but seeing as summer is on it's way here in australia i have decided to go on a 2000 cal clean cut with plenty of cardio.
i have read test prop would be better on a cut, why is this? and would i be able to loose bf and build some good muscle on this cutting diet?

[paul606]

Bump please

[gearbox]

my tdee is 2500, my intentions were to do a 3500 cal clean bulk on test e but seeing as summer is on it's way here in australia i have decided to go on a 2000 cal clean cut with plenty of cardio.
i have read test prop would be better on a cut, why is this? and would i be able to loose bf and build some good muscle on this cutting diet?

you cant expect to gain muscle on a 500 calorie deficit. With test you will be able to hold onto more muscle as you cut but to grow muscle you need calories fats carbs protein
if your doing lots of cardio I would do 300 deficit not 500.

prop is a short ester so you will hold less water is the reason some will use prop. but test is e great and you run an ai you will be fine and its a lot less pinning (it gets old quick)

[zacheryah]

I would personally recommand against doing your first cycle while cutting, as the right aas for cutting are harder on the liver (some are MUCH harder)

Get your diet right(good diet-aas > bad diet+aas), sleep right, training schedule right, and try sust with boldenone or something on your bulk

[Bonaparte]

I would personally recommand against doing your first cycle while cutting, as the right aas for cutting are harder on the liver (some are MUCH harder)

Get your diet right(good diet-aas > bad diet+aas), sleep right, training schedule right, and try sust with boldenone or something on your bulk

By all means, please expand on these ideas.

[warmouth]

By all means, please expand on these ideas.

Lol............

[paul606]

How about just eat maintenace and forget about cardio for now and do a semi-bulk with test e? I should still see some great gains this being my first cycle correct?