Low T and first cycle

[JR3]

About a year ago, my doctor started me on HRT (androgel). After wasting a lot of money and energy waiting for that to work, I started Test E, at 500 mg/week (250mg Monday, 250mg thursdays). Since i have low T anyways, i want to start my first cycle. I was thinking equipoise at 500mg/week, as well as Test cypionate, 500mg/week for 10 weeks, then just back to test E at 500mg/week. It seems like this would be a good first cycle that wouldn't need any ancillaries?

My stats are:

24 years
5'11''
215 lbs, at about 9% bf
I have been training seriously about 3 years.
I eat about 300g protein, 400g carbs, and 160g fat (4,250 cal) 5x a week
I eat about 300g protein, 270g carbs, and 125g fat (3,400 cal) 2x a week

Thanks guys!

[MickeyKnox]

yes. you would need hcg, ai, and pct

ai, and pct items can be found at the site sponsor above AR-R

[Lunk1]

I am not much of a TRT guru but isn't cruising at 500mg a little high? Thats more of a cycle dosage...anyone???

[AXx]

JR3 what is your prescribed dose?
I honestly would leave the EQ alone and just do 500/wk split 2x a week sunday/wednesday 250mg a pin. I would get AI and run .25 EOD starting out and adjust accordingly.

[AXx]

Are you saying your TRT dose is 500/wk? At that dosage this would be your first cycle, lol.

[kelkel]

500 per week IS a cycle, not TRT. It is putting you into supraphysiologic levels, not TRT levels. And you do need an AI at that level. There are more to estrogen sides than just gyno. What were your symptoms of Low T and do you have pre-TRT blood work you can share with us? The reason I ask is that most doc's do not know HRT and put people on agel far to quickly. Basically they are putting a band aid on a problem that may have been fixable with a competent doctor. No one wants to be on TRT at your age. I'd love to see pre-TRT LH/FSH, thyroid panels, cortisol, E2and anything else you may have. Many things can contribute to hypogonadism such as hypothryodism, high cortisol levels, testicular trauma or even pathologies (tumors.)

So, make an effort to find that blood work and let us see it. You really need to avoid TRT if at all possible and barring a pathology or trauma you may very well be curable. Wouldn't that be nice! Then it's off to the races with whatever else you choose to to.

kel

[Lunk1]

500 per week IS a cycle, not TRT. It is putting you into supraphysiologic levels, not TRT levels. And you do need an AI at that level. There are more to estrogen sides than just gyno. What were your symptoms of Low T and do you have pre-TRT blood work you can share with us? The reason I ask is that most doc's do not know HRT and put people on agel far to quickly. Basically they are putting a band aid on a problem that may have been fixable with a competent doctor. No one wants to be on TRT at your age. I'd love to see pre-TRT LH/FSH, thyroid panels, cortisol, E2and anything else you may have. Many things can contribute to hypogonadism such as hypothryodism, high cortisol levels, testicular trauma or even pathologies (tumors.)

So, make an effort to find that blood work and let us see it. You really need to avoid TRT if at all possible and barring a pathology or trauma you may very well be curable. Wouldn't that be nice! Then it's off to the races with whatever else you choose to to.

kel

Please tell me where to send the dime for that ten cent word lol

[kelkel]

Visit the HRT forum. We'll teach you some whoppers.....

[AXx]

su·pra·phys·i·o·log·ic (spr-fz--ljk) or su·pra·phys·i·o·log·i·cal (--kl)
adj.
1. Indicating a dose that is larger or more potent than would occur naturally, as of a chemical agent that mimics a hormone.
2. Of or relating to the physiological effects of such a dose.

[Lunk1]

Visit the HRT forum. We'll teach you some whoppers.....

I am hoping to avoid that place as long as I can. Don't want all the wheelchairs and walkers running over my toes

[Lunk1]

su·pra·phys·i·o·log·ic (spr-fz--ljk) or su·pra·phys·i·o·log·i·cal (--kl)
adj.
1. Indicating a dose that is larger or more potent than would occur naturally, as of a chemical agent that mimics a hormone.
2. Of or relating to the physiological effects of such a dose.

You TRT guys are like soooo smart lol

[AXx]

You TRT goes are like soooo smart lol

You can also learn English in TRT section, but don't post anything those guys are right short of doctors. All they lack is the M.D. Behind their names

[Lunk1]

You can also learn English in TRT section, but don't post anything those guys are right short of doctors. All they lack is the M.D. Behind their names

That was done in my best Valley Girl voice...like gag me with a fork would ya...

[AXx]

That was done in my best Valley Girl voice...like gag me with a fork would ya...

Gladly J/K

OP where are you sir?!?!?!?

[kelkel]

I am hoping to avoid that place as long as I can. Don't want all the wheelchairs and walkers running over my toes

I'll trip you with half a tennis ball!

Oh, and your clock is ticking.......we're waiting for you.

[Lunk1]

I'll trip you with half a tennis ball!

Oh, and your clock is ticking.......we're waiting for you.

Soon enough my friend...soon enough

[JR3]

500 per week IS a cycle, not TRT. It is putting you into supraphysiologic levels, not TRT levels. And you do need an AI at that level. There are more to estrogen sides than just gyno. What were your symptoms of Low T and do you have pre-TRT blood work you can share with us? The reason I ask is that most doc's do not know HRT and put people on agel far to quickly. Basically they are putting a band aid on a problem that may have been fixable with a competent doctor. No one wants to be on TRT at your age. I'd love to see pre-TRT LH/FSH, thyroid panels, cortisol, E2and anything else you may have. Many things can contribute to hypogonadism such as hypothryodism, high cortisol levels, testicular trauma or even pathologies (tumors.)

So, make an effort to find that blood work and let us see it. You really need to avoid TRT if at all possible and barring a pathology or trauma you may very well be curable. Wouldn't that be nice! Then it's off to the races with whatever else you choose to to.

kel

I'm fairly certain that my doctor had no idea what she was doing. I had been reading online and researching some of the symptoms i was feeling, and suggested that i might have low T. I had to work pretty hard to convince her to at least test me, and when my results came back, she had to go grab a book from the closet and thumb through its pages for a good ten minutes, before just saying that i was under 200ng/dl, and that she would start me out on 1% packs of androgel. I didn't notice a difference with my depression or energy or anything else, and the next test (3 months out) showed i had no improvements. So when the discount the company had ran out, I couldn't afford something that wasn't helping me anyways, so i decided to talk to a friend about starting test E. i figured since i had low T anyways, I might as well run it a little higher and make a cycle of it.
I would like to avoid TRT if possible. It came on pretty suddenly (within a year or so), and wasn't due to testicular trauma or any one thing i can pin point. I just haven't been able to find a competent doctor in my area. I am picking up a copy of the blood work, as soon as her office gets back to me.

[JR3]

my doctor tested for Testosterone, free and total.

Initial visit (May 2011)
Test, serum: 168 ng/dl
Test, Free: 3.9 pg/ml

Nov 2011:
test, serum: 199 ng/dl
test, free: 7.5 pg/ml

Feb 2012:
test, serum: 112 ng/dl
test, free: 4.9 pg/ml

(changed brands of topical Test)

March 2012:
test, serum: 65 ng/dl
test, free: 2.1 pg/ml

April 2012:
test, serum: 285 ng/dl
test, total: 14 pg/ml

In June, my insurance changed and i couldn't afford the $450 gel that wasn't really benefitting me anyways.
The beginning of last month, i started Test E.

[MickeyKnox]

About a year ago, my doctor started me on HRT (androgel). After wasting a lot of money and energy waiting for that to work, I started Test E, at 500 mg/week (250mg Monday, 250mg thursdays). Since i have low T anyways, i want to start my first cycle. I was thinking equipoise at 500mg/week, as well as Test cypionate, 500mg/week for 10 weeks, then just back to test E at 500mg/week. It seems like this would be a good first cycle that wouldn't need any ancillaries?

My stats are:

24 years
5'11''
215 lbs, at about 9% bf
I have been training seriously about 3 years.
I eat about 300g protein, 400g carbs, and 160g fat (4,250 cal) 5x a week
I eat about 300g protein, 270g carbs, and 125g fat (3,400 cal) 2x a week

Thanks guys!

it's clear to me you were looking to set up a cycle. hence, my answer and advice in post #2 to your original question. somehow this thread got turned around to a trt question.

I'm fairly certain that my doctor had no idea what she was doing. I had been reading online and researching some of the symptoms i was feeling, and suggested that i might have low T. I had to work pretty hard to convince her to at least test me, and when my results came back, she had to go grab a book from the closet and thumb through its pages for a good ten minutes, before just saying that i was under 200ng/dl, and that she would start me out on 1% packs of androgel. I didn't notice a difference with my depression or energy or anything else, and the next test (3 months out) showed i had no improvements. So when the discount the company had ran out, I couldn't afford something that wasn't helping me anyways, so i decided to talk to a friend about starting test E. i figured since i had low T anyways, I might as well run it a little higher and make a cycle of it.
I would like to avoid TRT if possible. It came on pretty suddenly (within a year or so), and wasn't due to testicular trauma or any one thing i can pin point. I just haven't been able to find a competent doctor in my area. I am picking up a copy of the blood work, as soon as her office gets back to me.

your bloodwork indicates your test values are low, no question. however, you indicate that you do not want to explore trt. the problem is, a cycle is only a temporary fix. after pct you will likely return to your low test values and feel horrible again. you need to make a decision on what it is youre seeking.

my advice is for you to square away your bloods first, then think about running a cycle. otherwise, youre putting the cart before the horse, imho.

as Kel already suggested, post your full blood work in the TRT/HRT forums and let him and the rest of the pros have a look at it. im confident you receive the information youre lacking from your GP.

good luck!

[JR3]

Thank you, that is definitely good advice. Its difficult, because my doctor really didn't explain anything to me. She just told me to pick up topical test gel. It was expensive and I couldn't afford it anyways, so I started Test E. Since i started the test E 250 mg 2x week, and Luquidex EOD, should I get BW done now, during PCT, or after PCT? Or would you recommend tapering down the test at the end, and getting BW done then?
Thanks for your help!

[MickeyKnox]

youre welcome.

i would get a full blood panel now to give you a solid picture and baseline. then again one to two months after pct/cycle.

do not taper. that's old school.