aka "JOB"
I have been experiencing some major heart burn/sour stomach for the last cpl days. Really made me quite sick last night and this morn. Has anyone experienced this before while cycling?
Is there any relationship to the heartburn and cycling or is it simply a coincidence?
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I get extreme GERD with most orals. Not so with injectables.Originally Posted by Lunk1
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Really? I haven't had any problems with Anavar. Just massive calf pumps walking to and from the gym lol. I am feeling pretty lethargic too it's quite annoying. Will that go away when I start PCT? Does the Nolvadex help with that? And to the OP, how quickly do you eat your food lol? If your on cycle and usually pretty hungry, then you might be eating faster than usual?
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Anavar will do that at 100mg or more for me. Anything less Anavar doesn't bother me.
What AI are you running with Anavar? Any?
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Nope. Didn't want the side effects of an AI. And I got mixed answers in regards to an AI. A lot said you don't need an AI, and some said I do. I just don't like the sound of the side effects from an AI on Anavar. The only supplements (other than multi's, creatine etc) I'm using with the Anavar are Liv52 and Lipid Stabil.
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Fatigue could be elevated E2, but only E2 sensitive assay would be conclusive. Other possibilities could be over training, nutrition, etc.
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Hey Lunk, I have exactly the same problem. In fact, I posted a similar thread a few months back. I'm thinking about using some prilosec next cycle.
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Avoid PPIs like Prilosec. Rebound is worse. Use famotidine or ranitidine.
aka "JOB"
I don't even know what any of that is lol....
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Pepcid and Zantac.
aka "JOB"
Ill grab some Zantag in the morn...thanks buddy. Enjoy, call if ya need bond
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Lol, anytime. I'll be in and out before they knew what hit them.Ill grab some Zantag in the morn...thanks buddy. Enjoy, call if ya need bond
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I was actually gonna post something about this. I don't have bad heart burn but I do have it on injection days.
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Hopefully this wont effect your eating today!
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The only thing affecting my eating is a lack of food!!!
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Hey Lunk,
I haven't read through this thread but I will say that there IS definitely a correlation between GERD/heartburn and oral AAS use. Are you running any orals? It is related to impaired bile function in connection with the effect of oral AAS on the liver. I posted about this in a thread long ago where another member asked the same thing. I'll try to look for it and then post the link here for you to see. It's nothing to freak out about, but its something that UDCA/TUDCA will take care of.
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Lunk, I found it. Read through this thread here:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...nd-acid-reflux
I also mentioned these issues in my liver thread here:
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread...-ORAL-TOXICITY!!
And here is the specific snippet from my liver thread concerning the heartburn issue:
Everytime now that I take an oral AAS, I get massive heartburn within 3 days. I even tried an injectable oral and still got acid reflux within a week. So, I did some research and found some interesting information. This is just a random post I found on Google.
http://www.********.com/forums/archi...p/t-36636.html
Everyone seems to miss what is happening here. If an oral kills your appetite, it is because it is too toxic for the liver. I forget exactly what happens, but to summarize, when the liver is overloaded it causes a slowing of digestion, and a backflow of bile, which is why you also see people complaining of acid reflux on harsh 17aa's. The only way to really cure your appetite is to drop the anadrol. Perhaps next time around run with liv. 52 and alpha lipoic acid?
From what I read, bile helps with digestion. Now, when I take an oral AAS, the pain I get is similar to acid reflu/heartburn, but not exactly. It feels more like the food I eat just sits in my stomach and rots, never digesting. Lets say I eat some tacos on Tuesday, by Thursday morning I am still burping that taste up.That always made me wonder if orals cause heartburn or something similar.
Now read this
http://www.emoryhealthcare.org/liver...blems.html#PBC
In primary biliary cirrhosis, inflammation destroys the bile ducts and prevents bile from escaping the liver. The accumulated bile damages healthy liver tissue, eventually leading to cirrhosis (scarring). As scar tissue replaces healthy liver tissue, the liver loses its ability to function. All this happens very slowly. People with PBC can lead healthy, symptom-free lives for 10 years or more after diagnosis.
Though primary biliary cirrhosis is often asymptomatic, especially early on, the most common symptom is extreme itching, especially in the arms, legs and back. Other symptoms include fluid buildup in the abdomen or legs, jaundice (yellowing of the eyes and skin), or fatty deposits and darkening of the skin under the eyes.
The standard treatment for PBC is a daily dose of a medication called ursodiol. Ursodiol improves liver function and increases life expectancy in people with PBC. Other medications may be indicated for controlling symptoms
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