Need input on TRT...

[Macolish]

Went to doc and got Test checked told me it was at 600 and that he would like to see it at 1200. This is for ten weeks then I get a prescription and was going to save it up and do a cycle what should I do?? I have read several post but I'm more confused than I was before I started. Should I take anything while I'm on the 10 week cycle from the doc??

[austinite]

huh? I'm confused. Can you give more detail? 600 what? What's the range and what Exactly did your doctor test for and tell you? If you're a potential TRT patient you shouldn't worry about cycling right now.

[Macolish]

He said my testosterone was low at 600 and would like to see it at 1000-1200. I told him I didn't feel good so I could get a Legit prescription for testosterone. After reading on here for the last week I'm so confused I'm not sure if its a good idea or not?? I want to pack on some mass. Should i stack it with dbol or just try the shots for ten weeks then save up to do a cycle or scratch that plan all together??? So I'm trying to figure out what to do. If I take the shots for the ten weeks should I take an AI or any thing else. Should I pct after.??

[austinite]

It's a terrible idea, Mac.

Here's what I would do. I would call the doctors office and request a copy of all the blood work results. Once you have them, post them here for critique. The idea isn't to get on TRT right away and call it a day, the idea is to find the root cause as if you really are suffering low T, it's possible to resolve the issue without TRT.

Generally starting doses are fairly low for TRT and concentration is low, too. So you might get a vial of test cyp that's 100mg per ML. So if you wanted to cycle, you'd need to inject 4 to 5 ML's per week. But seriously, I'd forget about all this and focus on finding your results. Again, if you're a potential TRT patient you will need to get that dialed in before you ever consider blasting through.

We don't know if you'll need PCT, again you need to get your blood work. If you get on TRT there is no PCT. I understand this is all confusing, so please just be patient and let us help you breakdown your blood work so that you understand the values and what to look for, that way you can go into the doctors office much more informed. You'll not only be able to ask all the right questions, but you'll determine if your doctor is worth keeping around.

Good luck and look forward to seeing your results.

[fit2bOld]

If my test was 600 naturally I'd go off TRT that's a nice number

[Macolish]

Thank you for the input my testosterone level is fine I'm just wanting to get bigger so I told the doc I didn't feel good. I feel fine was just trying to get a cycle and for my insurance to pay for it. I have workedout since highschool I'm the same size I can never gain so Im determined to get bigger. With all that being said what would you recomind i do? should i be up front with my doc and try to get a scrip or start shopping the net for a source?? This sucks i thought i had a good plan. Im glad i asked i was about to make a big booboo!!! i dont want to jack my natural T levels up. Ill post my blood work later and see what you think. Thank you
It is a nice number but why can't I grow?? Maybe my blood work will reveal the reason. What would you do if your test level was 600 and you wanted to pack on some mass. I'm 5 8" and weigh 160 lbs.

[lovbyts]

600? Why screw up a good thing with TRT or cycle. Most, no ALL of us who are on TRT would LOVE to have a natural test of 600. Low test is around or below 300. 1200 is HIGH and more is not always better. I have read and personally know people who kept their test/trt around 1000+ and eventually they have problems that took months to resolve and had to drop the TRT very low.

[largerthannormal]

if your t levels are at 600 and your not gaining, adding more test is not your answer. 100%

I would eat, and please dont tell me you eat unless you post your diet in full detail. 99% of the time i get the reponse " i eat all day" probably 3000k cals"

add it up.. post it..

before you consider trt i would consider this..

keep in mind, when your test goes up , so do other things that could hinder gains! not as simple as adding more test! 600 is plenty high. Id stear clear of a doc who says hed like to see you that high.

[kelkel]

Or any doc that thinks he can prescribe a brief period of test to continually elevate someones natural test level. Retard Doc.

Op, listen to the guys above. Visit the nutrition forum and learn how to eat. Read Marcus's Diary in the Lounge and learn to train. You can do this without screwing up your HPTA.

Continue to self-educate here please. I'm very happy you held off and had doubts. A refreshing sign of intelligence.

[Macolish]

My lab work what should I change so I can grow...please help... is their anything to worry about or to ask my doc when I go back on friday


Test/Component Flag Result Value Units Range Status Reported Lab
CMP14+CBC/D/Plt+TSH+PSA+Tes...
Glucose, Serum 82 mg/dL 65-99
Final 05/30/2013 050
BUN 14 mg/dL 6-20
Final 05/30/2013 050
Creatinine, Serum 0.77 mg/dL 0.76-1.27
Final 05/30/2013 050
eGFR If NonAfricn Am 115 mL/min/1.73 >59
Final 05/30/2013 050
eGFR If Africn Am 133 mL/min/1.73 >59
Final 05/30/2013 050
BUN/Creatinine Ratio 18 8-19
Final 05/30/2013 050
Sodium, Serum 139 mmol/L 134-144
Final 05/30/2013 050
Potassium, Serum 4.5 mmol/L 3.5-5.2
Final 05/30/2013 050
Chloride, Serum 99 mmol/L 97-108
Final 05/30/2013 050
Carbon Dioxide, Total 26 mmol/L 20-32
Final 05/30/2013 050
Calcium, Serum High 10.3 mg/dL 8.7-10.2
Final 05/30/2013 050
Protein, Total, Serum 7.7 g/dL 6.0-8.5
Final 05/30/2013 050
Albumin, Serum 5.0 g/dL 3.5-5.5
Final 05/30/2013 050
Globulin, Total 2.7 g/dL 1.5-4.5
Final 05/30/2013 050
A/G Ratio 1.9 1.1-2.5
Final 05/30/2013 050
Bilirubin, Total 0.7 mg/dL 0.0-1.2
Final 05/30/2013 050
Alkaline Phosphatase, S 59 IU/L 25-150
Final 05/30/2013 050
AST (SGOT) 17 IU/L 0-40
Final 05/30/2013 050
ALT (SGPT) 25 IU/L 0-44
Final 05/30/2013 050
TSH 1.660 uIU/mL 0.450-4.500
Final 05/30/2013 050
Triiodothyronine,Free,Serum 4.3 pg/mL 2.0-4.4
Final 05/30/2013 050
Prostate Specific Ag, Serum 0.7 ng/mL 0.0-4.0
Final 05/30/2013 050
Roche ECLIA methodology.
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According to the American Urological Association, Serum PSA
should decrease and remain at undetectable levels after
radical prostatectomy. The AUA defines biochemical
recurrence as an initial PSA value 0.2 ng/mL or greater
followed by a subsequent confirmatory PSA value 0.2 ng/mL
or greater. Values obtained with different assay methods or
kits cannot be used interchangeably. Results cannot be
interpreted as absolute evidence of the presence or absence
of malignant disease.


Testosterone, Serum 692 ng/dL 348-1197
Final 05/30/2013 050
Free Testosterone(Direct) 16.2 pg/mL 8.7-25.1
Final 05/30/2013 050
Estradiol 40.8 pg/mL 7.6-42.6
Final 05/30/2013 050
Roche ECLIA methodology


Vitamin D, 25-Hydroxy 49.3 ng/mL 30.0-100.0
Final 05/30/2013 050
Vitamin D deficiency has been defined by the Institute of
Medicine and an Endocrine Society practice guideline as a
level of serum 25-OH vitamin D less than 20 ng/mL (1,2).
The Endocrine Society went on to further define vitamin D
insufficiency as a level between 21 and 29 ng/mL (2).
1. IOM (Institute of Medicine). 2010. Dietary reference
intakes for calcium and D. Washington DC: The
National Academies Press.
2. Holick MF, Binkley NC, Bischoff-Ferrari HA, et al.
Evaluation, treatment, and prevention of vitamin D
deficiency: an Endocrine Society clinical practice
guideline. JCEM. 2011 Jul; 96(7):1911-30.


WBC 6.4 x10E3/uL 4.0-10.5
Final 05/30/2013 050
RBC High 5.97 x10E6/uL 4.14-5.80
Final 05/30/2013 050
Hemoglobin High 18.1 g/dL 12.6-17.7
Final 05/30/2013 050
Hematocrit High 53.7 % 37.5-51.0
Final 05/30/2013 050
MCV 90 fL 79-97
Final 05/30/2013 050
MCH 30.3 pg 26.6-33.0
Final 05/30/2013 050
MCHC 33.7 g/dL 31.5-35.7
Final 05/30/2013 050
RDW 13.6 % 12.3-15.4
Final 05/30/2013 050
Platelets 297 x10E3/uL 140-415
Final 05/30/2013 050
Neutrophils 45 % 40-74
Final 05/30/2013 050
Lymphs 44 % 14-46
Final 05/30/2013 050
Monocytes 9 % 4-13
Final 05/30/2013 050
Eos 2 % 0-7
Final 05/30/2013 050
Basos 0 % 0-3
Final 05/30/2013 050
Immature Cells Final 05/30/2013 050
Neutrophils (Absolute) 2.8 x10E3/uL 1.8-7.8
Final 05/30/2013 050
Lymphs (Absolute) 2.8 x10E3/uL 0.7-4.5
Final 05/30/2013 050
Monocytes(Absolute) 0.6 x10E3/uL 0.1-1.0
Final 05/30/2013 050
Eos (Absolute) 0.1 x10E3/uL 0.0-0.4
Final 05/30/2013 050
Baso (Absolute) 0.0 x10E3/uL 0.0-0.2
Final 05/30/2013 050
Immature Granulocytes 0 % 0-2
Final 05/30/2013 050
Immature Grans (Abs) 0.0 x10E3/uL 0.0-0.1
Final 05/30/2013 050
NRBC Final 05/30/2013 050
Hematology Comments: Final 05/30/2013 050

[largerthannormal]

apparently you have not read the above posts yet, bro your levels are fine!

post your diet

[austinite]

Mac. Your doctor is a complete idiot. There is nothing wrong with your test levels at your age. Im on thr phone so i cant read it all but trst is fine. You're actually rocking and rolling. He has some other motive$ for this garbage he spewed to you.

[Macolish]

I did read the above post I know my testosterone levels are fine. I was wondering about everything else. I go back to the doc on Friday I'm going to tell him I don't want TRT just wanted to know if I should ask any other questions about my blood work.

[largerthannormal]

Looks like a lot to read through, anyone flagged or anyone particular your thinking of?

Usually T , and E are the big factors on if your able to produce or maintain muscle tissue. Both look fine

If you want help and are not growing i would honestly post your diet, I know most do not like to hear it. but 90% of the time it is that and that only.

If you like we can help, if not i guess good luck

hope you consider.

[Macolish]

Thanks for the input I just started a few days ago keeping up with my diet with my fitness pal app on iPhone.