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    how to stop catabolism in PCT??

    So obviously I'm super concerned with some of the gains I've lost the last 10 days since I started PCT. When I started, I was at 186 lbs. and now I'm down to 180 lbs and every day it's going down. I was trying to gain weight in my cycle and now the gains are sort of going away, and it's frustrating as hell.

    I'm in the 2nd week of PCT and at Clomid 50mg & Nolva 20mg & .25 adex daily

    I'm still consuming around 200-230 grams of protein per day, and taking glutamine supps before working out and before bed, probably about 2-4 grams each time and I'm STILL losing weight... it's bothering me...

    Anyone have any solid advice on how to keep my muscle gains??

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    Did you increase your carb intake by 500 cals when you started pct?
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    no, I didn't know about increasing carb intake! shit, that's not good.... I definitely have started to eat more carbs and it seems to help

    tell me how much that would be?? like 3-4 more pieces of wheat bread , 1-2 yams??

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    Yes up your carbs you have still got to eat just like your still on cycle Marcus wrote a thread about how to keep your gains after cycle have a read at that and why are you still using your AI ?

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    Your size(muscle you want to keep) is extremely dependent on your diet. For some people it is worse than others, why? I have no idea, it's just the way it is.

    When dropping off cycle and going into PCT from everything that I have learned you need to eat at a very slight surplus of calories. As far as carbs, fat grams and protein < they all come in order.

    Cals 1st - Know your TDEE & consume right above that on a daily basis

    Protein 2nd - I think hitting one gram of protein to one pound of LBM is sufficient. Unlike when you are on cycle, since wen you are on juice your body can synthesize a lot more protein compared to not being on.

    Carbs 3rd - carbs you have to watch. I know the recommended amount of carbs for myself, yet I am still way bellow it. Some people are much more carb sensitive than others. & too much carb may possible cause you to pack on some fat. For example: my carb requirement is 330 per day, I barely get to 250 & still maintain my weight just fine. When I cut my carbs must be below 100 or I get zero results.

    Fat 4th - I know we need it, but fat numbers are not tough to hit. If you eat normal food(eggs, beef, chicken, etc) you will hit your fat grams just fine. My daily fat intake requirement is right above 50g's daily, I take in right about 70.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clarky. View Post
    Yes up your carbs you have still got to eat just like your still on cycle Marcus wrote a thread about how to keep your gains after cycle have a read at that and why are you still using your AI ?
    I'm still on .25 adex b/c it was part of the PCT I decided to commit to. Someone else advised .25 adex in one of the PCT schedules (see the sticky threads) and I have problems with gyno sometimes so I wanna minimize the estrogren related effects of coming off a cycle... I was on a 15 week Test E, 6 week jumpstart of dbol, and 7 weeks of Tren so it wasn't a light cycle by any means.... I do feel a lot more normal (test) the last week.

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    Your size(muscle you want to keep) is extremely dependent on your diet. For some people it is worse than others, why? I have no idea, it's just the way it is.

    When dropping off cycle and going into PCT from everything that I have learned you need to eat at a very slight surplus of calories. As far as carbs, fat grams and protein < they all come in order.

    Cals 1st - Know your TDEE & consume right above that on a daily basis

    Protein 2nd - I think hitting one gram of protein to one pound of LBM is sufficient. Unlike when you are on cycle, since wen you are on juice your body can synthesize a lot more protein compared to not being on.

    Carbs 3rd - carbs you have to watch. I know the recommended amount of carbs for myself, yet I am still way bellow it. Some people are much more carb sensitive than others. & too much carb may possible cause you to pack on some fat. For example: my carb requirement is 330 per day, I barely get to 250 & still maintain my weight just fine. When I cut my carbs must be below 100 or I get zero results.

    Fat 4th - I know we need it, but fat numbers are not tough to hit. If you eat normal food(eggs, beef, chicken, etc) you will hit your fat grams just fine. My daily fat intake requirement is right above 50g's daily, I take in right about 70.

    thanks for the advice. I have upped my carbs a bit because my metabolism is fast so I realized I needed more... I'm good on Protein for sure... and I'm good on calories overall... fat, I know I'm good...

    I just learned that the carbs are the key to maintaining my weight on PCT...I've leveled off and kept 10 pounds after my cycle started, and it's all lean mass because I don't have water weight, and I lost about 5% body fat on the cycle.... it's been a success... now just another two weeks of PCT, and I'm done.... I feel better than I did 10 days ago! and I think I look overall better also.

    again, thanks

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    what was your weight before starting the cycle?

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    These tips are for the moderate user and not for the high dose or long term AAS user, these basic methods will help maintain a degree of muscularity while in the off period. If all procedures are carried out during cycle you would of maximise gains and will be carrying new muscle tissue, then you need to focus on the off period and put yourself in an optimal position to keeping your new found gains once the cycle is stopped.

    Recovery- One of the areas of focus is the HPTA (Hypothalamus-pituitary-testicular axis), Recovering the HPTA is vital to maintaining gains, typically on a 10-12 week standard AAS cycle will almost certainly cause full suppression/shutdown despite any strategies we might undertake. The natural androgen production needs to be quickly recovered so anabolic hormones are up and running to help maintain the new found muscle. This is why post cycle therapy is vital and the correct protocol's are adhered to. Shorter cycles are becoming increasingly more popular because with these type of cycles there is a significant chance you will have testicular function straight after or very shortly after the cycle as stopped and recovery looks to be alot faster, not in all cases that would depend on compounds used but overall, the shorter the cycle the quicker the recovery.

    Once the cycle as stopped we must preserve our gains and if steps haven't been taken during cycle we must now take some steps to reduce estrogen binding in the hypothalamus.You have to look at post cycle estrogen this can be a huge problem for some and this will have a negative impact on recovery of your HPTA just like androgens can and do in this period. The only way to fully recover your HPTA is to completely come off cycle, with this day and age of PCT compounds to recover with, the job will be alot easier. Problems occur if you stayed on cycle for to long or keep taking low suppression drugs to bridge cycles together, all this will have an effect on your HPTA and long term health. Recovery and maintenance of the new found gains are the objects at this stage and stay as healthy as possible, remember suppression and shutdown are linked they both effect your HPTA, so get a decent PCT protocol and recover as fast as possible. The common ancillary drugs what will support the post cycle and the recovery period are clomid,nolvadex ,a-dex and HCG to name a few. Please check out the PCT section and the stickies for protocols and further advice.

    Nutrition - is another area which we must focus on to help maintain the new found gains, after a cycle androgen levels are going to be lower than normal even with the above strategies. We have to maximise the anabolic hormones as much as possible while our system is recovering. First we need to calculate the change in the new calories needed for the new tissue gained during the cycle and support the new tissue, a person who under eats to their requirements will be stripped of the muscle mass very quickly.

    Overeating has been shown in numerous studies to maximise these factors. Over maintenance calories are needed to promote the anabolic edge, dietary fat has an influence on androgen secretion, monounsaturated and saturated fat raises testosterone levels but polyunsaturated fat does not so a healthy diet containing O'3 and O'6 will help in this period. Eat clean and feed the new tissue with abundance of calories but always have in mind of muscle building foods and not the sugar rich alternatives we can easily lean to in this period. As testosterone returns to normal and recovery is nearly there, eating over the calories can be lowered to maintenance of the new found muscle what's been gained during the cycle. Never start dieting in the recovery stage it will strip you of your hard earned tissue.

    Training - If you have been training intensely during the on period you can help to maintain the new found gains with a slight alteration in the way your training. In some cases further gains have been seen in the recovery part of cycling, this is normally with short cycles and very intense training. If you implement more rest days and make sure your C.N.S gets fully recovered, further gains can be seen. Keep the training sessions down to around 30 mins and incorporate longer rest days in-between. Long workouts lower testosterone to cortisol ratio, so don't go for long workouts no matter how strong or fit you may feel, short and fast will help with recovery without further stress on your system.

    Still concentrate on the basic heavy movements this and still focus on HIT type of training, also take more attention on the eccentric part of the lift because this causes most of the muscle fibre damage, after warm up do about 2 sets per bodypart and dropset them, which should consist of eccentric reps start with maximum followed by 90% Max, then 80%max, making sure you take a good 5-6 seconds for the eccentric portion of the reps on all dropsets. There are many other ways of training to help recovery but this method does have great benefits by making the workout shorter and the muscle being hit in a different way. Further gains can be achieved if careful planning is done of your training sessions.


    Supplements- Its hard to advice what supplements will help and work for you in the recovery and maintenance period. Clearly a quality protein powder,creatine, test booster's,BCAA's, glutamine and vital vits and supps in the off period does help drastically and all aid recovery, past experience will help to pick which other supps may help and agree with your body.

    The more advance you become the more advanced procedure need to be carried out, this is just a basic methods and tips on maintaining post cycle for the moderate user.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aussie_Bob View Post
    Disregard post - trying to get to 25 posts to post without retarded span software blocking me.
    Dude, you need to stop this sh!t....

    http://forums.steroid.com/pct-post-c...rol-cycle.html

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