Reliable Prohormone website?

[PickleBrah]

Can anyone point me toward a reliable prohormones website? Preferably for Non-Methylated Prohormones? Either a website or maybe a forum I overlooked on here. I'd like to take baby steps with all this and start off with that.

I haven't noticed any talk about them on here, but I'd assume there would be more than a few people that could point me in the right direction.

Thanks for the help!!

[Gaspaco]

We have NO SOURCE TALK POLICY here buddy!

[MajorPectorial]

^this^ n Google. Pound a penny. Lol

[PickleBrah]

I wasn't talking about sources, I was talking about a section or website for advice/cycle help/info. A website I could get info on Non Methylated PH's. This is not a source begging thread.

[Back In Black]

Google yes.

Pro hormones are shite, don't bother. Why do you feel the need?

[PickleBrah]

I want to start out with something safer for my first time. I know they don't even compare to the real deal, but I'd like to start with a non methylated while I study up on the real deal. With that being said I've googled about all I can google and I've come across tons of different websites spewing out different info on every single one. I'm looking for a reliable source (maybe even on this website if I overlooked it)

[ironbeck]

i think the real thing is much safer than a fake.

[Back In Black]

i think the real thing is much safer than a fake.

^^^ x 2

What are your stats OP

Age
Height
Weight
Bodyfat%
Training history

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[PickleBrah]

25
5'7
167
17%
3 years of weight lifting

From the bit of researching I've done, I thought Non Methylated PH's were generally safe anyways... I still want to learn plenty about the real deal, but I was just wanting to start off with Non Methyl's first to kinda get a round under my belt before I started the real thing.

[Back In Black]

Almost nobody on here will recommend a pro hormone cycle. Even a non methylated one.

I'd suggest you figure out your immediate goal, make changes to your dietary plan with the help of this forum and run with that for 12 weeks whilst you continue your research into the real deal.

[NWIron]

Non-methylated hormones CAN be used solo and CAN be very effective. I saw a guy over at M+M forum put on 14lbs of pretty solid weight in 30 days on all non-methyls. People here will all say 500mgs test/wk blah blah blah. They just don't know how pro hormones convert and what the new non-grey phs on the market are. They don't know how 500mgs of testosterone really affects cholesterol and blood pressure levels for many people. There are a ton of good guys here, but you have to cut through the bull shit bro bro regurgitated internet puke. And the fact is…some steroids are safer than PHs but not the non-methyls. The same guy who put on 14lbs posted BW only 2wks into his PCT and cholesterol, liver values, everything was perfect except for T and Free T (low of course during PCT). Google Delta-2, that's a good place to start. You have a PM.

[FRDave]

Non-methylated hormones CAN be used solo and CAN be very effective. I saw a guy over at M+M forum put on 14lbs of pretty solid weight in 30 days on all non-methyls. People here will all say 500mgs test/wk blah blah blah. They just don't know how pro hormones convert and what the new non-grey phs on the market are. They don't know how 500mgs of testosterone really affects cholesterol and blood pressure levels for many people. There are a ton of good guys here, but you have to cut through the bull shit bro bro regurgitated internet puke. And the fact is...some steroids are safer than PHs but not the non-methyls. The same guy who put on 14lbs posted BW only 2wks into his PCT and cholesterol, liver values, everything was perfect except for T and Free T (low of course during PCT). Google Delta-2, that's a good place to start. You have a PM.

Garbage. My buddy did a helladrol cycle (considered the safest PH there is) and after PCT when he got blood work his lipids and liver values were shot. Dr made him come in for an ultra sound on his liver is was so bad. This is while using AI's life support and NAC two weeks prior, entire cycle and during PCT.

He also gained a good 14lbs... All water weight bud.

[NWIron]

^^FRDave, I'm afraid you are extremely misinformed. Helladrol is a 17aMethyl and is extremely toxic to the liver. This is exactly my point, people do not understand steroid nomenclature nore do they understand how they really act in the body. If you knew anything about hormones, one look at Helladrol (4-chloro-17a-Methyl-Androsta-1, 4-diene-3,17-diol), and you would know that this is a hormone more toxic per MG than Winstrol. Bro Science bull shit spreads like a plague. It's not your fault Dave, it's just unfortunate.

[redz]

Never heard of safe pro-hormones. I hear more stories on hear of people who had problems with gyno and shut down issues. People are foolish to believe these drugs are safe.

[BG]

Never heard of safe pro-hormones. I hear more stories on hear of people who had problems with gyno and shut down issues. People are foolish to believe these drugs are safe.

Worst part is they are pushed on and abused by mostly young kids. Most grown ups (Besides NWiron) realizes the risk isnt worth the rewards.

[FRDave]

^^FRDave, I'm afraid you are extremely misinformed. Helladrol is a 17aMethyl and is extremely toxic to the liver. This is exactly my point, people do not understand steroid nomenclature nore do they understand how they really act in the body. If you knew anything about hormones, one look at Helladrol (4-chloro-17a-Methyl-Androsta-1, 4-diene-3,17-diol), and you would know that this is a hormone more toxic per MG than Winstrol. Bro Science bull shit spreads like a plague. It's not your fault Dave, it's just unfortunate.

That's my bad. Everyone on the PH forums recommended Hdrol as a beginner PH due to the least sides and it is market as not being very toxic. Thought it was non methyl based, but it's been a long time since I looked into PH's so I'll admit to being wrong as I was going off memory.

[NWIron]

Worst part is they are pushed on and abused by mostly young kids. Most grown ups (Besides NWiron) realizes the risk isnt worth the rewards.

HA! I love being called out when I know I am correct. If you guys honestly want to educate yourselves and not just bash me because you are uneducated in PHs, google 5alpha-androst-2-ene-17-one and tell me how "toxic" and ineffective PHs are. Also, you can read more about Delta-2 on ergo-log
PHs are precursors to the target steroid, often being testosterone, DHT, tren, etc. I am not saying that they are all side effect free, but a blanket statement saying that all PHs are toxic and non beneficial is just close minded and wrong. How do you figure they are so bad when half of the PHs out there all turn into the steroids you guys take after 1-2 conversions in the body. Halo, Drol, Winny, Dbol, Tren, Sdrol, MethylTest, etc are all common steroids ranging from med-high on the liver toxic scale. There are non methyl PHs out there that are much easier on your body than these compounds. Educate yourself and separate yourself from the heard. Learn yourself and don't take others word for it….I made this mistake myself when I was younger, and ended up on TRT.

[tdoe11]

I've ran three pH cycles. I got nothing out of one, and the other two my back pumps were so insane even with 8 grams of taurine daily I had to stop both times. Those were the so called "milder" ph's to including CEL Hdrol. Pro hormones are junk dude. Sorry to tell ya.

Much less sides from straight testosterone and better gains. Plus there is documentation of what the long run has to offer with traditional aaa. Do you know what the ph's will do to your body down the line? Just saying man. Good luck.

FYI: I have ran anavar multiple times high dosed, dbol multiples times, and tbol. I have not got back pumps ever from any of those. That tells me ph's are pretty toxic on your body/kidneys/liver.

[NWIron]

^^Ya, no shit because you are taking Hdrol which is not mild but extremely toxic. It is on you for taking the manufacturers word for it and not researching. Do you go to the car lot and say, "Hey, which car do YOU guys think I should buy?" LOL. Why do you think CEL disappeared. Think about it, read about it, damn. I rest my case.

[tdoe11]

^^Ya, no shit because you are taking Hdrol which is not mild but extremely toxic. It is on you for taking the manufacturers word for it and not researching. Do you go to the car lot and say, "Hey, which car do YOU guys think I should buy?" LOL. Why do you think CEL disappeared. Think about it, read about it, damn. I rest my case.

Well you are obviously referring to the new non methylated pro hormones. The ones you need to take huge doses of to get the same results as the methylated ones. They are known to be easier on your liver, but with the list of other side effects including testicular atrophy, acne, hair loss, destruction of your lipids etc they are far from safe.

At the time when I was stupid enough to take prohormones hdrol was the easiest on your body, it was marketed as a beginner ph. I am not sure how long you have been around or what your experience includes but there is simply no argument. A cycle of testosterone is safer every way you shake the stick. The gains are better to.
Testosterone has been around for years, again we KNOW what the long term effects of safe testosterone cycling is. We do not know the long term effects of ph use. Defend it all you want man. Ph's are garbage.

I am not sure about CEL being gone, it does make sense though. 80% of the ph manufacturers end up getting investigated by the FDA and shut down.

[littlemansyndrome]

Send me a message man glad to give you info, been researching pro hormones.