Advice from experienced older vets...

[Allamerican157]

A little about me...I am 28 years old, former d1 wrestler, current nurse anesthetist... I am very familiar with nutrition and pharmacology I use it every day... However steroids and endocrinology are obviously slightly different than the medications I deal with...I'm looking for advice from you more experienced guys who have way more knowledge than myself... So here's my stats and questions... Like I said I'm 28....5'11" a lean 175lbs roughly 9-12% body fat... Clean eater for the most part. I currently take d aspartic acid and formeron (cycling on and off) I also take 1mg finasteride daily for mpb prevention... I am looking for SAFE, LEAN gains with no bloating or water retention (and possibly some fat loss if at all possible)... I have taken test propionate in college with great results... I was thinking of a winstrol IM cycle HOWEVER I have read that winstrol only cycles are terrible... Does any of the more experienced guys have any suggestions for a SAFE lean-gaining cycle? Any Info as far as dosaging and pct are greatly appreciated... I'm all ears... Thanks in advance

[DontTaseMeBro]

OK - now you're in the right spot. It may take a bit to get someone with knowledge to comment. I have no experience with Winstrol so I will withhold comment except to recommend that you read the "my first cycle" sticky near the top of this forum while you wait. Welcome again, and best wishes.

[MuscleInk]

I bought ten grams of Winnie once. ended up flushing it down the toilet due to the drying effect it has on my joints and the resulting pain.

here are the suggest steps before anabolics...

dial in your diet. I know you mentioned you have knowledge, but the lifestyle is different for weightlifters than the average bloke. once you get that down pat, and have mastered your exercise routines, and still feel you want to take the next step, then you could consider maybe a half a gram of test e/c per week for 12 weeks. don't forget your pct and protect your boys. most will suggest HCG.

see how that goes. gauge your results, and come back in a few months and let us know your results.

Good luck!
---Roman

TR is staying true to form and offering great advice!

Winstrol by itself is not a great choice. I know a few people that have run it as a single compound but I would only recommend it in combination with at least a testosterone base.

I've only used winstrol twice - once three years ago, an injectable (100mg/ml administered q.o.d) and currently, an oral tablet, 25mg, b.i.d. The injectable compound caused a lot of shoulder pain and reduced mobility by week 3. The problem became so severe that I stopped the compound entirely. The lower oral dose has yet to cause a similar problem (end of week three) but I am taking 400mg of test per week along side the daily winstrol dose.

Nutrition is an absolute must. If you are looking to reduce bf and tone up, the winstrol will provide the best results with a diet structured to attain the desired outcome. Failing to adjust your diet to support your goal will produce minimal results as TR suggested.

[Times Roman]

I bought ten grams of Winnie once. ended up flushing it down the toilet due to the drying effect it has on my joints and the resulting pain.

here are the suggest steps before anabolics...

dial in your diet. I know you mentioned you have knowledge, but the lifestyle is different for weightlifters than the average bloke. once you get that down pat, and have mastered your exercise routines, and still feel you want to take the next step, then you could consider maybe a half a gram of test e/c per week for 12 weeks. don't forget your pct and protect your boys. most will suggest HCG.

see how that goes. gauge your results, and come back in a few months and let us know your results.

Good luck!
---Roman

[Igifuno]

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...rst-cycle.html

valuable read even if its not your first cycle

[itsjayman02]

A little about me...I am 28 years old, former d1 wrestler, current nurse anesthetist... I am very familiar with nutrition and pharmacology I use it every day... However steroids and endocrinology are obviously slightly different than the medications I deal with...I'm looking for advice from you more experienced guys who have way more knowledge than myself... So here's my stats and questions... Like I said I'm 28....5'11" a lean 175lbs roughly 9-12% body fat... Clean eater for the most part. I currently take d aspartic acid and formeron (cycling on and off) I also take 1mg finasteride daily for mpb prevention... I am looking for SAFE, LEAN gains with no bloating or water retention (and possibly some fat loss if at all possible)... I have taken test propionate in college with great results... I was thinking of a winstrol IM cycle HOWEVER I have read that winstrol only cycles are terrible... Does any of the more experienced guys have any suggestions for a SAFE lean-gaining cycle? Any Info as far as dosaging and pct are greatly appreciated... I'm all ears... Thanks in advance

You quoted you took test p with great results.......the answer to your question is take it again if you dont mind frequent pinning

Test p 150 mg eod 8 weeks
or test e 500mg ew 12 weeks
Hcg 2 x 500iu ew
Adex .25 eod
Standard nolva and clomid
2 weeks after last test e pin
or 3 days after last test p pin

If you must add winstrol which I personally wouldnt
50 mg ed last 4-5 weeks

Add in some taurine 5g in the morning
5g before bed to relieve cramps

Post some pics for us over 12% boys !!

[ScotchGuard02]

You mention a couple of time you want a SAFE LEAN cycle. IMO, there is no such thing as a SAFE steroid cycle. You're going to have sides, period. Some have more than others. 1) If you just want a really mild cycle you could run Anavar (60mg to 100mg ed) only for 6 weeks. 2) If you want more results run Test Prop (since you already have experience with it) for 8 weeks. 400mg to 500mg per wk, HCG 250iu twice per week, Adex .25mg/ed or .5mg/eod for the 8 weeks, wait 3 days and PCT with Nolva and Clomid for 4 weeks (40/20/20/20, 100/50/50/50). That's about it. It's simple and have been run by a lot of guys so there is a lot of accumulated experience on the board.

[Hazard]

You mention a couple of time you want a SAFE LEAN cycle. IMO, there is no such thing as a SAFE steroid cycle. You're going to have sides, period. Some have more than others. 1) If you just want a really mild cycle you could run Anavar (60mg to 100mg ed) only for 6 weeks. 2) If you want more results run Test Prop (since you already have experience with it) for 8 weeks. 400mg to 500mg per wk, HCG 250iu twice per week, Adex .25mg/ed or .5mg/eod for the 8 weeks, wait 3 days and PCT with Nolva and Clomid for 4 weeks (40/20/20/20, 100/50/50/50). That's about it. It's simple and have been run by a lot of guys so there is a lot of accumulated experience on the board.

^^^^ solid advice right here

[Bert]

Stick with test, preferably enanthate or cyp.

[Allamerican157]

^^^^ solid advice right here

Thanks a lot for all the valuable advice, ya it looks like I'll give test prop another shot, after all it did work well and I probably did it hastily with out pct correctly like a typical post adolescent idiot (I just took clomid)... Now as far as safety during the cycle, keeping blood thin and such , do others take a baby aspirin everyday prophylacticly to avoid DVT risks? And im having a little trouble understanding the correct way to pct, so I'll need clomid and nolva? Those dosages you have broken down, is that daily or weekly to stay at each dose? Thanks in advance... Grateful

[itsjayman02]

Thanks a lot for all the valuable advice, ya it looks like I'll give test prop another shot, after all it did work well and I probably did it hastily with out pct correctly like a typical post adolescent idiot (I just took clomid)... Now as far as safety during the cycle, keeping blood thin and such , do others take a baby aspirin everyday prophylacticly to avoid DVT risks? And im having a little trouble understanding the correct way to pct, so I'll need clomid and nolva? Those dosages you have broken down, is that daily or weekly to stay at each dose? Thanks in advance... Grateful

The number is the dose each day for that week

[EasyDoesIt]

If you're worried about MPB winstrol is rough on the hair loss.