Help - Opinions on HCG, PCT, and anecdotal evidence please

[MikeShlort]

Ok, so I made a thread asking about PCT and people's opinions on running HCG.. Two people got into an argument and the thread was closed down..

This is the reason I've been dragging my feet so long to do a cycle. Contradictory evidence galore, and how am I supposed to take the advice of people who bicker on internet forums? With something so serious as the function of my nuts and masculine essence for the rest of my life.

So I just want people to please be kind and help me out in the following way:

1. Tell me how many cycles you have done
2. Give me your advice on PCT
3. Give me your opinion on running HCG
4. Let me know how your recovery was after each cycle and if you were/were not able to recover fully (ie need TRT permanently)

Since it's impossible to find one legit source for concrete advice, and I can't really go ask my Dr. for proper advice, I'll just look through each person's unique experience and come to a conclusion based on that information.

So the more people who share, the better! Thanks!

PS - please keep arguments factual and don't close my thread

[MikeShlort]

PS - My connect advised me just to use clomid and nolva as PCT, and run nothing but my test enanthate (500mg/wk) until PCT. I asked him about arimidex and HCG, he advised against it, reasons being: "massive joint pain and growing way too fast so horrible stretch marks"

Anyone who has done a similar cycle as the one I am about to, who has run arimidex and/or hcg care to weigh in?

[David LoPan]

A lot of your questions are answered here about your first cycle. There is no real differece in Test E and Test C http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...rst-cycle.html

HCG info - http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...njections.html

[DAAS]

An over dose on Arimidex can cause joint & bone discomfort, but that's from taking too much. If anything you will physically get larger with out it, but that's from estrogen bloat which you don't want. He probably just didn't have it so he told you its not good to take. Most would recommend both. Arimidex for me causes me to feel run down even at lower doses but i still take it. DO you want to risk growing breast?

[rplante7]

Arimidex is surely a must for that dosage of test. Finding the optimum amount is trial and error and blood work

[MikeShlort]

Please tell me how many cycles you've done and your experiences when you give me advice. I have a feeling some people here may be very educated but may not have ever done a cycle and are giving advice anyways..

[austinite]

Ugh, too many demands for me...

[fit2bOld]

HCG is a must. 250iu 2xweek
AI arimadex .25 mg eod adjust as needed
Clomid
50/50/25/25
Nolva
40/40/20/20

There it is totally spoon fed and don't even ask me about my cycle experience
I'm most likely older than your dad.

[David LoPan]

HCG is a must. 250iu 2xweek
AI arimadex .25 mg eod adjust as needed
Clomid
50/50/25/25
Nolva
40/40/20/20

There it is totally spoon fed and don't even ask me about my cycle experience
I'm most likely older than your dad.

Glad that you didnt say you were old

[lovbyts]

Please tell me how many cycles you've done and your experiences when you give me advice. I have a feeling some people here may be very educated but may not have ever done a cycle and are giving advice anyways..

You need to put some trust in the vets and monitors. Look at their post counts. If they have only a few or under a couple hundred then it's fine to question their knowledge and experience. You can do some research yourself and read up some of their history if you want to know more instead of asking them to provide intimate details.

The sticky notes you have been refereed to are from qualified individual with typically extensive experience.

Ive been on TRT for over 6 years so than means I inject at least 1x a week for 6 years. Yeah I use HCG because after not using it but learning from this site the many benefits it has it was a no brainer. My Endo did not prescribe it when I started but since then I have seen a fertility doctor and another clinic that say they will not prescribe TRT without hcg also.

Yes I have other experience besides TRT, exact number Im not sure but more than a couple.

[ppwc1985]

^^^ what these guys are saying is right on. You can switch the arimadex with another AI like aromasin which I prefer at 12.5-25 mg Ed. Now hcg is a must. I did a 500 mg ew cycle of test c and did not use hcg, I believe my balls shrunk and only one came back to normal. I am now on trt for life, and I think it is because I didn't use hcg. So if your smart listen to the ppl here and not your source, trust me I have learned the vets here know how to cycle safely. Keep researching bud.

[MikeShlort]

K no need for the hostility. I have every right to be skeptical of this pro-steroid site. Especially since one of my first threads ended two days after I created it because people were internet arguing like 14 year olds.

Can't really understand why other men wouldn't understand why I'd want verification on where I am getting my information about something that could make my nuts not function for the rest of my life.

Anyways, thanks for the replies, keep em coming, sans condescending remarks.

PS - I did plenty of research using mainly this site and ************. I read the majority of the articles on this site that concerned me. But reading all that stuff is cool, on paper it looks good, but what I'm after is the advice of those who've done it. I imagine most people would agree it's a lot trickier than the articles make it out to be and there are more variables...

[lovbyts]

I think its funny you keep asking for feedback but then you keep telling people not to have an open discussion about it and accuse others of acting childish? Make up your mind or better yet go find some medical journals on hcg and stop asking for opinions if what you want is absolute proof.

Now either grow a pair or let you wife keep them in her purse. Your question has been answered a dozen or more times. 100s if you try using the search function.

[MikeShlort]

I think its funny you keep asking for feedback but then you keep telling people not to have an open discussion about it and accuse others of acting childish? Make up your mind or better yet go find some medical journals on hcg and stop asking for opinions if what you want is absolute proof.

Now either grow a pair or let you wife keep them in her purse. Your question has been answered a dozen or more times. 100s if you try using the search function.

K thx for your advice.. Anyone else care to share their expertise?

[lovbyts]

K thx for your advice.. Anyone else care to share their expertise?

Is there a certain number of replies or % of members you are looking for? Again try the search or advance searched if you really want a lot more opinions or experiences.

There is an old saying about beating a dead horse that fits this hcg discussion.

[David LoPan]

Now either grow a pair or let you wife keep them in her purse.

I had to grow two pair so my wife could keep one set in her purse and I could have a pair as well.

[lovbyts]

I had to grow two pair so my wife could keep one set in her purse and I could have a pair as well.

LoL that seems to be the way it works more times than not. ;-)

[MikeShlort]

Is there a certain number of replies or % of members you are looking for? Again try the search or advance searched if you really want a lot more opinions or experiences.

There is an old saying about beating a dead horse that fits this hcg discussion.

Yes I'm looking for many replies from many different users. So far, of the three that replied, two said they are on permanent HRT :/

Anyways, let's just be friends. As a peace offering, I invite you to enjoy the latest episode of Norm Macdonald live with me, interviewing his old pal David Spade: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iH8c...4vcmvW2L4BT2bW

[MikeShlort]

bump?

[MikeShlort]

HCG is a must. 250iu 2xweek
AI arimadex .25 mg eod adjust as needed
Clomid
50/50/25/25
Nolva
40/40/20/20

There it is totally spoon fed and don't even ask me about my cycle experience
I'm most likely older than your dad.

If I follow this, will I have a good chance of natural test recovery?

[austinite]

If I follow this, will I have a good chance of natural test recovery?

Yes. Better than not doing it.

[MikeShlort]

A lot of your questions are answered here about your first cycle. There is no real differece in Test E and Test C http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...rst-cycle.html

HCG info - http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...njections.html

Props on the Don Knotts avatar

[MikeShlort]

HCG is a must. 250iu 2xweek
AI arimadex .25 mg eod adjust as needed
Clomid
50/50/25/25
Nolva
40/40/20/20

There it is totally spoon fed and don't even ask me about my cycle experience
I'm most likely older than your dad.

The bottle of clomid I have is 50 tabs, 20mg each. Would it make a large difference to take 50/50/20/20 or should I get another bottle to be safe? In other words, is the 5mg/day difference for the last two weeks negligible?