Exogenous test and SHBG

[Lee_1978]

Hi all,

I had an appointment with my GP yesterday to discuss some recent blood work and he's reluctant to authorise further tests to measure my free test levels, as the initial tests I had show that my total test is on the higher end of 'normal', but we all know how misleading total test levels can be. He said that if I had low free test then my FSH/LH levels would be inconsistent as they would be fighting to compensate the lower androgen levels. I'm not convinced.

Anyway, all this got me thinking about the importance of SHBG in our bodies and how it can hinder or benefit our muscle gains. As a 'hardgainer', I've always found it more difficult to attain and maintain muscle mass and I'm beginning to think it may have something to do with free test levels and SHBG. I'm planning on starting a test only cycle shortly and I wanted to know if exogenous test becomes bound to SHBG, or is all of it left to circulate around the body entirely?

What do people think?

Thanks.

[qscgugcsq]

Ive had High ShBG and ny total test was in the high end but my free test very low...

I did a cycle to drop my SHBG but it didnt work...
Exogenous steroid are supose to lower SHBG, winstrol being a good one, aromasin also helping that.
Proviron too. But any steroid is supose to do it.

If your GP is willing enough you might try Danazol.

Danazol, hard to find but is the best one IMO.

Seems to be your best bet.

Either way Vitamin D Will help you!

Good luck

[DrewZ]

I got my total and free test to go up quite a bit over the last 5 months, D3 was I think probably one of the bigger factors.

Have at look at some of the changes I made and my numbers, they might be of some help.

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...s-have-qs.html

[Lee_1978]

I got my total and free test to go up quite a bit over the last 5 months, D3 was I think probably one of the bigger factors.

Have at look at some of the changes I made and my numbers, they might be of some help.

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...s-have-qs.html

Really interesting read of your lab results - so does this mean you're not going to touch AAS?

[Lee_1978]

Ive had High ShBG and ny total test was in the high end but my free test very low...

I did a cycle to drop my SHBG but it didnt work...
Exogenous steroid are supose to lower SHBG, winstrol being a good one, aromasin also helping that.
Proviron too. But any steroid is supose to do it.

If your GP is willing enough you might try Danazol.

Danazol, hard to find but is the best one IMO.

Seems to be your best bet.

Either way Vitamin D Will help you!

Good luck

What cycle did you do to try and lower your SHBG?

[kelkel]

Simply doing your test only cycle will suppress your SHBG.

[Lee_1978]

Simply doing your test only cycle will suppress your SHBG.

God, I hope it does! lol

Cheers mate.

[kelkel]

God, I hope it does! lol

Cheers mate.

It won't stay suppressed though. When you come off it will rise to whatever it's "norm" is. It's a good time to know you D level and supplement if needed, and most all need to. Also Stinging Nettle Root and/or Avenacosides can help as well.

[DrewZ]

Really interesting read of your lab results - so does this mean you're not going to touch AAS?

Yeah with those numbers I think it would be unwise, I've decided to wait.

I'm seeing improvements again natty now learning from marcus and his dungeon masters, maybe in the future to break a plateau.

[Lee_1978]

It won't stay suppressed though. When you come off it will rise to whatever it's "norm" is. It's a good time to know you D level and supplement if needed, and most all need to. Also Stinging Nettle Root and/or Avenacosides can help as well.

Yes, I've been reading lots of things on this site about Vit D - I will be sure to find out what my levels are pre cycle.

I have some questions for you Kelkel, in regard to my original post. My GP as I've mentioned is pretty stubborn and sees no need to have further blood tests to gauge my free test levels, he cites the following as evidence of this -

1) Hair - I have a full, thick beard - he referenced this as an indicator of 'normal' test levels. Isn't facial hair an effect of DHT levels?
2) FSH/LH - These were both within range and a decreased level could mean low free test - would you agree with this?
3) My demeanour - he claimed that from observing how I engaged with him, he's doubtful I have low free test.

I wondered if you could add your thoughts if possible - I'd appreciate it.

Lee.

[qscgugcsq]

Yes, I've been reading lots of things on this site about Vit D - I will be sure to find out what my levels are pre cycle.

I have some questions for you Kelkel, in regard to my original post. My GP as I've mentioned is pretty stubborn and sees no need to have further blood tests to gauge my free test levels, he cites the following as evidence of this -

1) Hair - I have a full, thick beard - he referenced this as an indicator of 'normal' test levels. Isn't facial hair an effect of DHT levels?
2) FSH/LH - These were both within range and a decreased level could mean low free test - would you agree with this?
3) My demeanour - he claimed that from observing how I engaged with him, he's doubtful I have low free test.

I wondered if you could add your thoughts if possible - I'd appreciate it.

Lee.

Beard is mostly genetic...

I know some dude on lots of gear and still cant grow a beard.
Me even in the rock bottom free test I have lots of facial hair.

Low FSH/LH will mean low total test.
It is more likely for you having low free test with low lh/fsh but it is not given. SHBG will determinate.
If you have very low SHBG, free test can be high even with low total.

Your attitude isnt testosterone related. You are like that, more testosterone will amplify. But thinking that the only fsctor for attitude is tedtodterone is plain stupid...

It seems like your doctor is trying to find reason to not help you.

Some GP are lazy and selective on those they want to treat... It seems like he dont care about you and refuse to help. Cause his "argument" are wrong and moronic...

[qscgugcsq]

It won't stay suppressed though. When you come off it will rise to whatever it's "norm" is. It's a good time to know you D level and supplement if needed, and most all need to. Also Stinging Nettle Root and/or Avenacosides can help as well.

Right... I did a simple test only cycle.
My LH/FH ended up lower, so is my total test.
My SHBG went back to "normal" and my free test was at its lowest 236...

Cycling for me hasnt work at all...

[Lee_1978]

Right... I did a simple test only cycle.
My LH/FH ended up lower, so is my total test.
My SHBG went back to "normal" and my free test was at its lowest 236...

Cycling for me hasnt work at all...

Damn, were you able to make gains despite this?

Cheers for the insight. I have no idea why my Doc has basically misinformed me - what does he have to lose by helping me?

[kelkel]

Hi all,

I wanted to know if exogenous test becomes bound to SHBG, or is all of it left to circulate around the body entirely?

Thanks.

Just realized no one answered your initial question. Yes, it's bound to shbg and a little to albumin. They are what transport it throughout your system.

[Lee_1978]

[QUOTE=kelkel;6885373]Just realized no one answered your initial question. Yes, it's bound to shbg and a little to albumin. They are what transport it throughout your system.[/QUOTE

Yes, I understand that Test is bound to SHBG and to a lesser extent albumin, but I'm curious to find out what happens with exogenous test and if it becomes bound to existing SHGB or if it's free to circulate on our bloodstream.

[kelkel]

It does the same thing with exogenous T.

[Lee_1978]

So I guess it's all down to genetics as to how much your body utilises exogenous T.