Sust + Mast cycle questions (Pharma vs UGL)

[SuperGoku]

Stats:
Age:29
Weight:175lbs
Height:5"9
BodyFat %: 16%
Goals: Gain and KEEP lean muscle, lose 8% body fat over 20 weeks approx. Priority on the Losing Fat.
Cycle: 20 weeks (in week 8 currently) of 500 Test E (every week)+ Adex e3d 0.5mg
PCT: PCT of Nolva/Clomid

So turns out my Test E from Newport was underdosed. Most of my buddies I consulted said if it wasn't pharma grade then they usually take 1.5x or twice the dosage. So instead of 500mg of test a week they would take 750-1000mg of test e a week to see the same (or close) results as pharma grade.

My question is since I am 8 weeks in and YES I am lifting hard, and YES my diet and macros are in check, and I BARELY seen results... I am thinking of switching to a Sustanon + Mast cycle for the remaining of my cycle. The Sustanon will be pharma grade (Karachi) and the Mast will be Newport (UGL lab same as my previous Test e- so probably underdosed as well but we shall see).



My question to you is who here has tried Karachi Sustanon (pharma grade)?

My other option is going with pharma grade Test E called Galenika. But I REALLLY like the idea of a blend and do not mind pinning 3 times a week (Monday, Wed, Fri).


I really wanna add Mast to the remaining of my cycle. So either one I would add a little bit of Mast to it. I find that my body is not sensitive and need to up the doses to feel anything after a few weeks (maybe pharma grade is different).


Any ideas of how I should run the cycle I am leaning towards? Which is the Sust + Mast cycle.

My plan was to run 500mg a week of Sustanon (pharma grade) and not sure how much Mast to add weekly.

Any ideas? Comments? I am open to suggestions.

Since I was gonna run a 20 week 500mg Test cycle and since I am 8 weeks in basically doing a TRT level dose (since it's underdosed) I would like to do Sust + Mast for the remaining 15-16 weeks.

[tice1212]

Skip the drugs and work on ur diet.. My 2¢

[SuperGoku]

Lol thanks. My diet is in check, I had a question about my cycle though.... Clearly I want to enhance my performance rather than stay natty. So what is the point in your reply? Aren't we all on the same page?

[Mr. Small]

Well, the Test E has only kicked in about 3 weeks ago. How the gains come will depend on your diet though, not just the gear. Fine tune the diet should priority #1 right now wether it's with drugs or without them.

[Khazima]

If you're cutting you probably should expect spectacular results,maybe just better muscle maintenance.. It's all down to your diet.

[SuperGoku]

If you're cutting you probably should expect spectacular results,maybe just better muscle maintenance.. It's all down to your diet.

Thank you. I will be eating very clean just above maintenance. I work out extremely hard and am very strict with things like salt and sugar and fruity drinks, etc.


My only question is...


So what would you suggest in terms of Sust + Mast cycles?

500mg of Sust per week +
400mg of Mast per week


Keep in mind the Sus is pharma grade (100% sure its good and have a VERY good friend using the same stuff from same source). However, the Mast is UGL so I am thinking of taking 600mg per week instead.

I'm wondering how much more powerful is Pharma Sus compared to UGL? If I am taking 500 Pharma grade SUS will I even NEED that much Mast?

Cheers

[Khazima]

I'd say stick with the test, idk anything about mast. How many cycles have you done previously?

[tice1212]

Lol thanks. My diet is in check, I had a question about my cycle though.... Clearly I want to enhance my performance rather than stay natty. So what is the point in your reply? Aren't we all on the same page?

The point in my reply is that u obviously don't have ur diet in check if ur 5'9 175lbs @ 16%bf really bro ur diet is in check come on!.. So u don't see the writing on the wall, so i will make it clear.. Drugs are only going to help so much because once u come off u are going to go back to the weight and bf% u are now because u don't have u does it check.. If i was u i would wait until u were 175lbs @ 13%.. This is a lost cause.. Go ahead run ur drugs. GL

Side note: why do people decided to "eat clean" and become very strict during cycle but once pct come and after the cycle they go right back to the same sh*t.. Do they think steroids are going to keep them big while off?! Lmao such a dumb theory.

[ScotchGuard02]

Sus 500mg/wk is pretty normal. 20 weeks is a long cycle. 400mg/wk Mast will give you a hard, tight look. I like Mast. Keep your eye on your E2 and gyno.

[SuperGoku]

Tice1212,

Just because some is at 16% bf doesn't mean their diet "isn't in check". Everyone has different body types and compositions. Everyone has different goals and everyone is comfortable looking a certain way. That's like saying all jeans have to be skinny and that is the ONLY wear jeans should be cut.


You know what... honestly I was kinda mad when I first saw your reply. However, I do understand you didn't mean it to be hurtful but meant it to be informative. I TOTALLY understand where you are coming from and it makes PERFECT sense I should probably get down to 12-13% BF before this cycle.
However, what I failed to mention is I have a weird body type. At 16% I still look pretty lean (I may be overestimating my bf). I look great and have just simply hit my plateau after a few years of working out.

Your side note is really important I find. Maybe I will tweak my diet just a tad and see what results I yield. The reason for my post originally was to see people's thoughts on this cycle and while you didn't quite answer my question you did bring up some valid points that other people can learn from.

Cheers

[lovbyts]

The point in my reply is that u obviously don't have ur diet in check if ur 5'9 175lbs @ 16%bf really bro ur diet is in check come on!.. So u don't see the writing on the wall, so i will make it clear.. Drugs are only going to help so much because once u come off u are going to go back to the weight and bf% u are now because u don't have u does it check.. If i was u i would wait until u were 175lbs @ 13%.. This is a lost cause.. Go ahead run ur drugs. GL

Side note: why do people decided to "eat clean" and become very strict during cycle but once pct come and after the cycle they go right back to the same sh*t.. Do they think steroids are going to keep them big while off?! Lmao such a dumb theory.

Thanks for saving me from having to type that out. ^^^^^ agree 100%

[qscgugcsq]

Well, SuperGoku.

20 weeks is a long time.

If you insist on being on cycle for a extended period of time I wouldnt go over 16 weeks...

However I advice a standard cyxle of 12 weeks.(believe me you can gain alot in 12weeks...)

Masteron wont do much for you at that BF.

Ill be honest, I also thought that steroids would help me shred fat faster.
The truth is even at 700mg of tren, I wasnt losing fat faster...
The lethargy, the lack of sleep and the appetite increase made it way harder to stick to my diet and yo do cardio...

I hate to say that cause I would like to believe other wise...(ive always had really hard time cutting...)
But diet and diet only will determine. If you are losing fat or not...
Steroids wont do much for you in that area...

Therefore masteron is close to useless for you...
Stay with testosterone only works.on your diet and it will do the trick.

Good luvk

[Baxter35]

I didn't see it mentioned yet..how do you know your current test E is underdosed? Do you have blood work to support that? You really can't just go by "feel". If the gear is in fact real and your gains are being limited by other factors such ad diet, then switching products isn't going to make a difference. I wouldn't switch unless you have blood tests to work off of.

[Times Roman]

wont see any results form the mast at 16% bf

[Roughneck82]

Don't know why so many people will spend all the money they have on gear but won't go do a bod pod, and blood work. They say there gear is under dosed and have no proof. Look at DOC's sticky on how to get the actual number for test, check you E2 levels. I thought my gear was under dosed, went and did bloods my E2 was 245. Search your area for a body composition and get BF checked so you know. Then make a decision based on your numbers

[itsjayman02]

Stats:
Age:29
Weight:175lbs
Height:5"9
BodyFat %: 16%
Goals: Gain and KEEP lean muscle, lose 8% body fat over 20 weeks approx. Priority on the Losing Fat.
Cycle: 20 weeks (in week 8 currently) of 500 Test E (every week)+ Adex e3d 0.5mg
PCT: PCT of Nolva/Clomid

So turns out my Test E from Newport was underdosed. Most of my buddies I consulted said if it wasn't pharma grade then they usually take 1.5x or twice the dosage. So instead of 500mg of test a week they would take 750-1000mg of test e a week to see the same (or close) results as pharma grade.

My question is since I am 8 weeks in and YES I am lifting hard, and YES my diet and macros are in check, and I BARELY seen results... I am thinking of switching to a Sustanon + Mast cycle for the remaining of my cycle. The Sustanon will be pharma grade (Karachi) and the Mast will be Newport (UGL lab same as my previous Test e- so probably underdosed as well but we shall see).

My question to you is who here has tried Karachi Sustanon (pharma grade)?

My other option is going with pharma grade Test E called Galenika. But I REALLLY like the idea of a blend and do not mind pinning 3 times a week (Monday, Wed, Fri).

I really wanna add Mast to the remaining of my cycle. So either one I would add a little bit of Mast to it. I find that my body is not sensitive and need to up the doses to feel anything after a few weeks (maybe pharma grade is different).

Any ideas of how I should run the cycle I am leaning towards? Which is the Sust + Mast cycle.

My plan was to run 500mg a week of Sustanon (pharma grade) and not sure how much Mast to add weekly.

Any ideas? Comments? I am open to suggestions.

Since I was gonna run a 20 week 500mg Test cycle and since I am 8 weeks in basically doing a TRT level dose (since it's underdosed) I would like to do Sust + Mast for the remaining 15-16 weeks.

You say!!
My question is since I am 8 weeks in and YES I am lifting hard, and YES my diet and macros are in check, and I BARELY seen results...

Answer is no it is not!!
You dont see results because
Your training diet or rest is OFF!!

[< <Samson> >]

Got bored & read some of this nonsense

Mast - just give it to me or a buddy who's in shape to use it

Mast will be a pure waste at your Bf%


Test - just keep it low as possible(like 300-350mg per week). And stop eating cheeseburgers or whatever other garbage.