Peptides ---- and Juice ?

[tcw]

Hi Friends,

I was chatting with another member and trying to determine IF...
"Peptides" should be used "with Test" during the Recoup phase of an "muscle or Tendon" INJURY?

*I'm recovering from an Groin Pull injury that (i believe) has its base in a Adductor muscle pull from doing Lunges. Just doing the R&R (working out of the house, and making comments (silly and serious) on the forum).

Right now, i'm doing TB500----bout 5mgs @wk...cutting down to 2.5@wk next. Not sure if i should add some Test to that....or not?

What's your Opinion?

~your constructive input is greatly appreciated...THANKS!
;-)

[tcw]

Here's an Article that suggest AAS "DOES NOT" help with Wound healing.

It goes onto say, it not only doesn't help...but actually delays Wound and Injury Healing???

Wat Da ?

[tcw]

...However, "Oxandrolone" (aka Anavar), seems to have a POSITIVE affect?

These F##kn Doctors and their studies....wtf, they can't make up their Minds?

[thisAngelBites]

I think the general consensus is that estrogen helps with wound healing, and testosterone does not, and can perhaps somewhat impair healing. I just post this to let you know that it's not a one-off saying testosterone does not help with wound healing.

Also, the study on anavar was done on burn victims, who are in a state of extreme catabolism and muscle wasting as a result of their body's reaction to the burn trauma - so you may not be able to generalise this outcome to all people.

Lastly, there is not complete overlap in the processes between wound healing and muscle healing, so in your research you will probably want to make sure you differentiate, because the results might be different for each, meaning if you are trying to learn about a muscle injury, the wound healing data may well not be applicable. I hope that helps a bit.

[tcw]

TAB, Thanks....

Yes, the article (like i said) is confusing. Except that it clearly designates that "Anavar" (which is not very androgenic----which is why its a favorite with the LADIES), does help heal---and i'm thinking its because its mildly anabolic also.

Don't know?

I think the general consensus is that estrogen helps with wound healing, and testosterone does not, and can perhaps somewhat impair healing. I just post this to let you know that it's not a one-off saying testosterone does not help with wound healing.

Also, the study on anavar was done on burn victims, who are in a state of extreme catabolism and muscle wasting as a result of their body's reaction to the burn trauma - so you may not be able to generalise this outcome to all people.

Lastly, there is not complete overlap in the processes between wound healing and muscle healing, so in your research you will probably want to make sure you differentiate, because the results might be different for each, meaning if you are trying to learn about a muscle injury, the wound healing data may well not be applicable. I hope that helps a bit.

[thisAngelBites]

I'm saying the anavar study is not applicable to the situation of the adductor pull because 1) wound healing and muscle healing are not the same thing and 2) that study was done on burn victims, which, due to their trauma, are metabolically different than you, so you cannot safely draw conclusions from it. So forget about the anavar study, is my advice.

I am not an expert in any of this, but I will tell you what I think I know, and you can use that to do some more research. Unfortunately I am not in a place right now to do the research for you.

Anabolics increase muscle development, so that could lead you to believe they can help your body with muscle repair. A lot of bodybuilders on the forums say that AAS help decrease the time they need to recover from strains etc. - I just don't personally know whether this impression is backed up by the research. I would search for whether anabolics help heal muscle injuries (not skin or wounds).

Some anabolics decrease collagen synthesis (I read this a very long time ago and I cannot remember which do or don't, so you will need to look for details online), and this can potentially be a problem if part of the physical injury includes connective tissue like tendons or ligaments. I would search for collagen synthesis and the names of different anabolics. Since you don't know exactly whether there is any injury that would be affected by a decrease in collagen, if you use an anabolic, I would use one that is known not to affect collagen.

That's all I can tell you. Sorry to not know more about this subject area.

[tcw]

I'm saying the anavar study is not applicable to the situation of the adductor pull because 1) wound healing and muscle healing are not the same thing and 2) that study was done on burn victims, which, due to their trauma, are metabolically different than you, so you cannot safely draw conclusions from it. So forget about the anavar study, is my advice.

I am not an expert in any of this, but I will tell you what I think I know, and you can use that to do some more research. Unfortunately I am not in a place right now to do the research for you.

Anabolics increase muscle development, so that could lead you to believe they can help your body with muscle repair. A lot of bodybuilders on the forums say that AAS help decrease the time they need to recover from strains etc. - I just don't personally know whether this impression is backed up by the research. I would search for whether anabolics help heal muscle injuries (not skin or wounds).

Some anabolics decrease collagen synthesis (I read this a very long time ago and I cannot remember which do or don't, so you will need to look for details online), and this can potentially be a problem if part of the physical injury includes connective tissue like tendons or ligaments. I would search for collagen synthesis and the names of different anabolics. Since you don't know exactly whether there is any injury that would be affected by a decrease in collagen, if you use an anabolic, I would use one that is known not to affect collagen.

That's all I can tell you. Sorry to not know more about this subject area.

Ok Man...thank you for your input.

I too read that certain Roids will inhibit your recovery and in addition, are not good for Tendons---PERIOD. I believe it was in Author Rea's 1rst book where he specifically mentioned Winstrol, a highly anabolic Steroid, while good for Gains and Cuts, was an AAS that was NOT GOOD for tendons AND weaken tendons over time. (i can't comment on this because personally, i have only used winny a few times).

ANYWAY, i do know this----HGH is the Best synthetic you can buy for injuries (in my personally experience). It won't heal an injury that requires surgery, but for minor tears, sprains, Tendonitis, etc.---that chit is the Best.

Hoping the Peptides work for me and in my situation.

~T

[thisAngelBites]

I was on pharma GH when I had a little lipoma surgically removed from my underarm (a very minor surgical procedure) about a year and a half ago, and it healed really quickly. The surgeon (who didn't know I was on it) was blown away by how quickly and perfectly it healed (he saw me a week later and was patting himself on the back as to how amazingly I had healed, as though he should take the credit ).

[EquilibriumZ]

I was on pharma GH when I had a little lipoma surgically removed from my underarm (a very minor surgical procedure) about a year and a half ago, and it healed really quickly. The surgeon (who didn't know I was on it) was blown away by how quickly and perfectly it healed (he saw me a week later and was patting himself on the back as to how amazingly I had healed, as though he should take the credit ).

You should tell him about the gh now he might start prescribing it to his patients

[EquilibriumZ]

Btw how much gh were you on? And how long?

If one is on somotropin for 90 days, will it heal most injuries or it's too short?

[thisAngelBites]

Btw how much gh were you on? And how long?

If one is on somotropin for 90 days, will it heal most injuries or it's too short?

My only experience was that one, so I cannot say whether it will heal most injuries. I would think it helps, but that's just an intuitive comment and not based on any study or experience. Maybe Marcus will comment, since he was on GH for such a long period of time, and must have some experience with healing on versus off.

I was taking 2iu a day for a couple of months (maybe 2.5?). I'm just not willing to budget the costs for that on an ongoing basis.

[tcw]

Same here. Did Somo for about 90 days, in 30 days, it healed 3 injuries that i couldn't shake. THE TRICK. Getting Pharma Grade Somo.

Btw how much gh were you on? And how long?

If one is on somotropin for 90 days, will it heal most injuries or it's too short?