So I just recently joined another forum and I go to the steroid discussion section and visit a pretty common "first cycle" thread. Upon reading this thread I get supposed "vets" reccomending that hcg is not vital for a cycle, that you can run 2 compounds in your first cycle, and also there pCT is 4 weeks of clomid with adex at 0.25mg eod and than at 4th week begin nolva at 20mg for 2 weeks.

From what I've read and hearsmd here hcg is absolutely vital on cycle and you should always use clomid and nolva together not seperate, and also not to use an AI on cycle. I tried to tell them the correct ways but there coming at me asking for scientific research papers and anecdoal evidence. so could you guys link me to some for the problems Im having?