Just a noobie looking for some advice

[Obese]

Hey guys, I'm new around here and have taken time to read a lot of the stickies and rules, so hopefully I don't violate anything, and provide enough info so you guys can help me out.
I'm currently a athlete playing college football in the NCAA and was looking to start a basic cycle of Test E. I was planning on 500mg a week, 250 twice a week. But might go lower as I would like to avoid extremely obvious changes and of course make the dreaded drug tests easier to pass.
I'm 6'4 and weigh 250 Lbs at 13% BF (Calculated by doctor) I've been lifting for 7 years and training seriously for 4. I feel like I'm nearing my "Natural Limit" and want to bust through those barriers and continue my growth and strength gains. Mainly just to get an edge in football.
So here are some questions I have for all of you;
1. While cycling, would you continue to take all of the regular supplements you normally take on top of the test? (Creatine, Aminos, Joint supplements, Pre workout, whey protein etc.)
2. Are there serious risks involved with HCG for PCT? I've read some people say to just use it and others say to stay away because it's highly addictive and your body can become reliant on it.
3. Is it possible to pass a urine drug test at any time while on test E? If so, how? What supplements would I need?
4. Is 500mg too much for a first cycle or should I go with 250mg, so the changes aren't blatantly obvious? (I don't want to get target drug tested)

Thanks for any info you guys can provide and help me out with, I really appreciate it. Also if I violated any sort of rules I'm really sorry, just let me know so I can edit it!

EDIT: Age: 20 (Been told by doctor that plates are fused and I am done growing)

[MToption2]

Hey guys, I'm new around here and have taken time to read a lot of the stickies and rules, so hopefully I don't violate anything, and provide enough info so you guys can help me out.
I'm currently a athlete playing college football in the NCAA and was looking to start a basic cycle of Test E. I was planning on 500mg a week, 250 twice a week. But might go lower as I would like to avoid extremely obvious changes and of course make the dreaded drug tests easier to pass.
I'm 6'4 and weigh 250 Lbs at 13% BF (Calculated by doctor) I've been lifting for 7 years and training seriously for 4. I feel like I'm nearing my "Natural Limit" and want to bust through those barriers and continue my growth and strength gains. Mainly just to get an edge in football.
So here are some questions I have for all of you;
1. While cycling, would you continue to take all of the regular supplements you normally take on top of the test? (Creatine, Aminos, Joint supplements, Pre workout, whey protein etc.)
2. Are there serious risks involved with HCG for PCT? I've read some people say to just use it and others say to stay away because it's highly addictive and your body can become reliant on it.
3. Is it possible to pass a urine drug test at any time while on test E? If so, how? What supplements would I need?
4. Is 500mg too much for a first cycle or should I go with 250mg, so the changes aren't blatantly obvious? (I don't want to get target drug tested)

Thanks for any info you guys can provide and help me out with, I really appreciate it. Also if I violated any sort of rules I'm really sorry, just let me know so I can edit it!

EDIT: Age: 20 (Been told by doctor that plates are fused and I am done growing)

Are you D1? Starter? Good record?

[Obese]

Are you D1? Starter? Good record?

Yes to all. With exception of "good record" I just became starter this year. Only a sophmore.

[MToption2]

Yes to all. With exception of "good record" I just became starter this year. Only a sophmore.

Damn. Tough spot to be in. Your case is atypical. You're not some random dude. Lots on the line. Potential.

You said you're interested in a tren cycle? The problem is you lose your gains shortly after. Now this can be alleviated to a degree by cruising with high dose trt. This means you'd have to keep juicing pretty much forever. Lots of problems here, such as cost, privacy, ncaa testing, understand you're cheating, additional health problems, etc. You'd have to be very deligent about it.

That's not even factoring in the damage you could do to your bodily development. But you play football, so that's a moot point.

Lastly, Tren usually fucks up your cardio...it's mostly a bodybuilding drug. Not a good choice when speed and agility are integral to the sport.

[Obese]

Damn. Tough spot to be in. Your case is atypical. You're not some random dude. Lots on the line. Potential.

You said you're interested in a tren cycle? The problem is you lose your gains shortly after. Now this can be alleviated to a degree by cruising with high dose trt. This means you'd have to keep juicing pretty much forever. Lots of problems here, such as cost, privacy, ncaa testing, understand you're cheating, additional health problems, etc. You'd have to be very deligent about it.

That's not even factoring in the damage you could do to your bodily development. But you play football, so that's a moot point.

Lastly, Tren usually fucks up your cardio...it's mostly a bodybuilding drug. Not a good choice when speed and agility are integral to the sport.

Not tren, Test E. I've read a lot about tren and other substances and have seen the effects on cardio and I really can't do that to myself. It would do me more harm then good. I just want the explosiveness and aggressiveness and strength that comes with test. Although a few extra pounds wouldn't hurt. And as for losing the gains, I would cycle shortly before season and throughout most of the season and I have a good month off afterwards of absolutely no workouts/practices where I could begin my PCT. Would probably cycle again during spring, then again next fall. On and off like that until I have a reason to change it.

[MToption2]

Not tren, Test E. I've read a lot about tren and other substances and have seen the effects on cardio and I really can't do that to myself. It would do me more harm then good. I just want the explosiveness and aggressiveness and strength that comes with test. Although a few extra pounds wouldn't hurt. And as for losing the gains, I would cycle shortly before season and throughout most of the season and I have a good month off afterwards of absolutely no workouts/practices where I could begin my PCT. Would probably cycle again during spring, then again next fall. On and off like that until I have a reason to change it.

Even if you don't hit the bowl (lol), you're looking at a 5 month cycle every year.

Yes, Test will give you aggressiveness, explosiveness, and strength. Maybe not to the degree I believe you're imagining. Low dosing Adderall for me did all that much greater than Test for a single session. Again, whole different set of problems and I can't talk about that here. Mods forbid it.

I don't have much else to say. Others should chime in.

[songdog]

Plates closed don't mean your Hepta is fully developed and messing that up can lead too some serious problems.

[Obese]

Plates closed don't mean your Hepta is fully developed and messing that up can lead too some serious problems.

What kind of problems? I don't really think my growth being stunted is much of a concern of mine anymore considering I'm nearly 6'5, but I'm sure there are other medical concerns I just haven't looked into much when it comes to younger users.

[boisebeast]

What kind of problems? I don't really think my growth being stunted is much of a concern of mine anymore considering I'm nearly 6'5, but I'm sure there are other medical concerns I just haven't looked into much when it comes to younger users.

Your growth isn't really the problem, it's potentially permanent hormonal problems that you need to be concern about

[Obese]

Your growth isn't really the problem, it's potentially permanent hormonal problems that you need to be concern about

Is there really a substantially larger margin for permanent damage to someone who is 20 vs someone who is 25? I feel like most of the serious side effects are avoidable with proper PCT and care while on cycle. Also I'm not trying to do something crazy, just 250-500mg of tren a week for 12-14 weeks.

[Quester]

Is there really a substantially larger margin for permanent damage to someone who is 20 vs someone who is 25? I feel like most of the serious side effects are avoidable with proper PCT and care while on cycle. Also I'm not trying to do something crazy, just 250-500mg of tren a week for 12-14 weeks.

-Yes, that's why they told you it was serious. So, what are you really asking? If your trying to change our minds, you'll need to do a whole lot more work and frankly, it is impossible. The advice you have been given is from experts.
-Much of the info you have seems to have it's origin on another site, example: HCG during PCT but avoid addiction. Other sites are far happier to tell you something that puts the future of your health and life at risk. Perhaps that is not as important to you as "getting an edge in football," its your decision, no one elses.
-Either way you decide, seek info you can trust from the stickies on this site.
Happy to hear about you becoming a sophomore starter, keep up the good work.

[songdog]

What kind of problems? I don't really think my growth being stunted is much of a concern of mine anymore considering I'm nearly 6'5, but I'm sure there are other medical concerns I just haven't looked into much when it comes to younger users.

Ed no libido depression!

[Obese]

Ed no libido depression!

Is this not avoidable with proper PCT and blood work before, during, and after the cycle? I was going to take all the steps to make this cycle as safe and 'professional' as possible.

[Capebuffalo]

http://forums.steroid.com/anabolic-s...-steroids.html

[Obese]

link

Also read this before. Thank you for pointing it out though, there is no such thing as too much information!