Anavar vs dbol

[Octaneforce]

So ive been able to experiment with a couple of oral compounds in my comparatively breif experience with aas. The two im most fond of are dbol and anavar. So my question to you guys, do you think the puff and water retention from dbol is worth the strength and size gains? Personally, im not the best dieter and i hate cardio, so it took me a while to harden back up after my dbol run. Thats not to say i didnt have a ton of fun with explosive new strength and size.
This current cycle is my first run with anavar. Ive been avoiding it because its a dht compound and id like to avoid hairloss if i can. However ive noticed zero shedding and i love the affects. Im harder, leaner, and i think ive even made strength gains without being in a calorie surplus. The pumps are unreal. I can do a few pushups before i go out and thats all it takes to get a big firm pump. It didnt take long to kick in either. A week or two into var and i knew it was working.
So there you have it, i might make anavar my new kickstart or finisher (works for both for me). I think its underated because its hard to find a decent batch of actual anavar. The shit i got right now is gold

*oops i posted this in the wrong section

[almostgone]

Moved it to Q&A, Octane.

[GearHeaded]

well your really talking apples and oranges here . they are very different steroids in almost every way.

Anavar is a class 1 steroid - meaning it works its magic primarily by binding to the androgen receptor
Dbol is a class 2 steroid - meaning it works its magic apart from androgen receptor bidding

Anavar is a non aromatizing DHT derived compound
Dbol is an estrogenic testosterone derived compound

Anavar is 'dry' and Dbol is 'wet'

Anvar is very mild in regards to HPTA shut down (pct may not be required)
Dbol is fairly strong in regards to HPTA shut down


again very different compounds in almost all ways. but if you like both thats cool, plenty of uses for them. nothing wrong with apples on some days and oranges on another.


on a side note - just because a compound is DHT 'derived' does not mean its going to convert to DHT, or display primary DHT like properties and bind to DHT receptors. Test is NOT a 'dht' but is going to convert to DHT more then any other compound . also keep in mind that some drugs bind to androgen receptors and illicit DHT like properties. Eg., Tren is not a DHT, yet its going to probably cause more hair loss then an Anavar that is a DHT derived drug.

[Aerospace]

Well in strength, anavar probably beats out Dianabol. Dbol is for one thing, mass gains. Anavar can't compete with Dbol in mass gains, but that's not its purpose. You defined the two pretty well yourself in the first post, it's apples and oranges really.

[Octaneforce]

well your really talking apples and oranges here . they are very different steroids in almost every way.

Anavar is a class 1 steroid - meaning it works its magic primarily by binding to the androgen receptor
Dbol is a class 2 steroid - meaning it works its magic apart from androgen receptor bidding

Anavar is a non aromatizing DHT derived compound
Dbol is an estrogenic testosterone derived compound

Anavar is 'dry' and Dbol is 'wet'

Anvar is very mild in regards to HPTA shut down (pct may not be required)
Dbol is fairly strong in regards to HPTA shut down


again very different compounds in almost all ways. but if you like both thats cool, plenty of uses for them. nothing wrong with apples on some days and oranges on another.


on a side note - just because a compound is DHT 'derived' does not mean its going to convert to DHT, or display primary DHT like properties and bind to DHT receptors. Test is NOT a 'dht' but is going to convert to DHT more then any other compound . also keep in mind that some drugs bind to androgen receptors and illicit DHT like properties. Eg., Tren is not a DHT, yet its going to probably cause more hair loss then an Anavar that is a DHT derived drug.

Schooling me as usual, gear. Lol. I used your “tapering” method with my dbol run last time around. I think it provided me with permanent size gains. I literally had to get all new shirts because nothing fit me anymore. Im gonna try a bulk on anavar in the winter and see what happens. But your right, different drugs for different goals.

[GearHeaded]

Schooling me as usual, gear. Lol. I used your “tapering” method with my dbol run last time around. I think it provided me with permanent size gains. I literally had to get all new shirts because nothing fit me anymore. Im gonna try a bulk on anavar in the winter and see what happens. But your right, different drugs for different goals.

well glad to hear you held onto those Dbol gains . Dbol has a bad name for loosing all gains post cycle, but most guys only run short 4 week blasts of it.. that 8+ week long taper method is definitely ideal for solidifying the gains (and the increase in IGF and GH release that Dbol illicits helps over the long haul too of course).

be curious to see how you do on that VAR bulk. its 3x more anabolic then Test, so you know it can put on lean tissue.

[greaseywrench1]

well glad to hear you held onto those Dbol gains . Dbol has a bad name for loosing all gains post cycle, but most guys only run short 4 week blasts of it.. that 8+ week long taper method is definitely ideal for solidifying the gains (and the increase in IGF and GH release that Dbol illicits helps over the long haul too of course).

be curious to see how you do on that VAR bulk. its 3x more anabolic then Test, so you know it can put on lean tissue.

What is this “tapering method”?

[cokemarine]

What is this “tapering method”?

It is when you start out with a higher or lower lose and taper either higher or lower. So say you start with 20mg of dbol the first 2 weeks then 30mg the next 3.

Frankly, tapering is unnecessary and in some cases counterproductive.

[GearHeaded]

What is this “tapering method”?

My "tapering method" for dbol is formulated to help guys acclimate to and keep their gains.. most guys run Dbol and blast it for 4 weeks and come off and they end up pissing all their gains away (literally piss them away, losing all that water weight). You need to get you body to adapt over a longer period of time so you can hold onto the water weight, which will help put on muscle .

week 1-4 - 50mg of Dbol
week 5-6 - 40mg of Dbol
week 7-8 - 30mg of Dbol
week 9-10 - 20mg of Dbol

Yes 10 weeks may be considered a long run of Dbol by some guys, but the dosage is coming down over time. the liver toxicity of 20mg of Dbol is not that high

[carvv]

I'm a beginner so I am only sharing my personal experience and not some universal truth about these steroids. I used Anavar in my first cycle, and I did not see much of a change. I didn't notice much at all. I know it was legit, because I used a self test kit on it. Everything seemed a little tighter and harder but I didn't feel like I added much muscle.

On my second cycle, I used dbol. I actually didn't notice too much puffiness. I'm sure I added some water just because of how much weight I gained so quickly, but I never felt puffy. I think a large part of that was diet. I consume very few carbohydrates and sodium usually. So, if you're worried about the puffiness, you can probably prevent a lot of that with a diet that limits carbs and sodium.

I had a much better experience with the dbol. The gains were fast and obvious whereas Anavar seemed more subtle. I didn't notice any sides with either. My dosage on each was 50 mg ED orally.

[Octaneforce]

I'm a beginner so I am only sharing my personal experience and not some universal truth about these steroids. I used Anavar in my first cycle, and I did not see much of a change. I didn't notice much at all. I know it was legit, because I used a self test kit on it. Everything seemed a little tighter and harder but I didn't feel like I added much muscle.

On my second cycle, I used dbol. I actually didn't notice too much puffiness. I'm sure I added some water just because of how much weight I gained so quickly, but I never felt puffy. I think a large part of that was diet. I consume very few carbohydrates and sodium usually. So, if you're worried about the puffiness, you can probably prevent a lot of that with a diet that limits carbs and sodium.

I had a much better experience with the dbol. The gains were fast and obvious whereas Anavar seemed more subtle. I didn't notice any sides with either. My dosage on each was 50 mg ED orally.

Diet is huge. I think the var is helping me get away with diet mistakes. One thing i loved about dbol was that feel good high it gives you. Almost euphoric. The most I ran the dbol was at i think 80mg

[GearHeaded]

One thing i loved about dbol was that feel good high it gives you. Almost euphoric. The most I ran the dbol was at i think 80mg

back in the day (way back) it was used as an anti-depressant. also why I use it quite often, no matter what cycle I may be on, as a pre-workout

[< <Samson> >]

Soooo

I have been thinking about this a bit

What's better to run mg for mg? I was about to start my usual dBol & test winter cycle. But, will doing a bulk type cycle on Var b more beneficial - lets say 50-75mg a day vs the same of dBol

[GearHeaded]

Soooo

I have been thinking about this a bit

What's better to run mg for mg? I was about to start my usual dBol & test winter cycle. But, will doing a bulk type cycle on Var b more beneficial - lets say 50-75mg a day vs the same of dBol

have you ever ran Superdrol ?

[< <Samson> >]

have you ever ran Superdrol ?

Yes

Not many things I have not tried < I dunno if that's a good thing

[GearHeaded]

Yes

Not many things I have not tried < I dunno if that's a good thing

ok I was just going to say that 'Superdrol' kind of fits in that middle ground between Dbol and Var, it has qualities of both.

from your other posts, I believe your somewhat E sensitive and gyno prone.. so VAR may not be a bad choice to try a 'dry' bulk on, and not have to worry about your lump flaring up.

mg per mg though . on paper Var is more anabolic then Dbol. but in practical terms, Dbol is going to provide more mass gains and overall growth due to its estrogenic nature (which var does not have). Dbol + estrogen = more IGF and a higher anabolic response overall.
BUT if your used to running Dbol and having to run a shit ton of AI with it just to keep E low , then yeah, forget that and try a VAR bulk so you don't have to mess with AI's.

be curious to see your results . the overall gains on the scale will be much lower, but perhaps you'll put on some quality tissue.
IF your test dose is going to be on the low end as well though, you may want to add in another androgen to help, maybe Mast

[< <Samson> >]

Superdrol is some nasty shit - even worse in sides than Anadrol


I was thinking of running another a50 cycle - but, I know I'll be singing a different tune a few weeks into it


I am gyno sensitive to damn near anything - but, we'll see. . .

Started the dBol yesterday, planning to run it for a month - come off, then run the Var


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