Returning membrer, cycle questions

[Myers]

Was gone for some time.. Again lol

Anyway not sure whats new, altough i see GH banned, how did that happen?

Whats our current take on Ai during cycle?

I was planning to do a bulking cycle next month

Now there are 2 options :

600 mg sustanon
300npp
40mg dbol

Or 500 sust
200 npp
200 masteron
40 dbo

For 14 to 16 weeks

I wanna put on some decent mass

Now regarding the ancillaries, on my last test e ans primo cyclr i was using nolva only 10mcg ed

People were going against Ai's at that moment

Has anything changed?

Im afraid my 1st option might spike prolactin issues, should i use ai with the 1st option, or just bump nolva up do 20mcg, will that make some progesterone issues?

Thx for the advice

Stats:
Age 26
Trt for 5 years, nebido ev ry 9 weeks, will lower to 8
104kg 10% bf and going to single digits
192cm height
150kg bench
210 squat
250 deads

[Chark]

Current take is there’s no one size-fits all answer for AI. Some need AI at small doses and others can get away with large doses without it. If you match your “level” of experience with your dose you learn your body over time assuming you haven’t used an AI for every cycle you’ve been on with aromatizing drugs.

You didn’t list dose for your last cycle of test/primo but as you know the options you laid out are going to have the potential to be more problematic from an estrogen perspective. I’d try to get away without using an AI if possible, you could try using nolva again and see if you can get away with it. Have you run dbol before?

[Myers]

Current take is there’s no one size-fits all answer for AI. Some need AI at small doses and others can get away with large doses without it. If you match your “level” of experience with your dose you learn your body over time assuming you haven’t used an AI for every cycle you’ve been on with aromatizing drugs.

You didn’t list dose for your last cycle of test/primo but as you know the options you laid out are going to have the potential to be more problematic from an estrogen perspective. I’d try to get away without using an AI if possible, you could try using nolva again and see if you can get away with it. Have you run dbol before?

Test e 500
Primo 200
And i forgot drol 3 weeks 50mg

Didnt have issues, was running nolva 10 mcg ed

Before i did 500 mg test e and 30 dbol, loved it
Had ai back then
But that was 4 yrs ago, had to sptop lifting for a
Year and lost most of my gains

But now im in better form than ever

Can both nolva and aromasin be run?
Id go for 25mcg aromasin if needed ed

[Chark]

Glad to hear you’re back and better than ever.

Nolva/Aromasin COULD be taken simultaneously as they both have different mechanisms of action. Aromasin is used as a preventative measure as it halts future Aromatization of test into estrogen while nolva is used as both a preventative and reactive measure stopping estrogen from binding at the breast tissue receptor site. You don’t want to be taking cancer drugs you don’t need.

If I were you I’d take a step back and lower my test dosage and see how my body handles it and see if I get any estrogenic side effects. Maybe get bloodwork in the middle and see what your sensitive e2 assay reads and compare to estrogenic drug load. Since you mentioned GH, he would tell you if you’re taking high test and dbol it’s precisely for the high estrogen. If you think you gotta take nolva and Aromasin ahead of time maybe reconsider your cycle plan, lower test and add in any of the number of other drugs that don’t aromatize heavily.

[Myers]

Glad to hear you’re back and better than ever.

Nolva/Aromasin COULD be taken simultaneously as they both have different mechanisms of action. Aromasin is used as a preventative measure as it halts future Aromatization of test into estrogen while nolva is used as both a preventative and reactive measure stopping estrogen from binding at the breast tissue receptor site. You don’t want to be taking cancer drugs you don’t need.

If I were you I’d take a step back and lower my test dosage and see how my body handles it and see if I get any estrogenic side effects. Maybe get bloodwork in the middle and see what your sensitive e2 assay reads and compare to estrogenic drug load. Since you mentioned GH, he would tell you if you’re taking high test and dbol it’s precisely for the high estrogen. If you think you gotta take nolva and Aromasin ahead of time maybe reconsider your cycle plan, lower test and add in any of the number of other drugs that don’t aromatize heavily.

Ah dont know if we understood eachother, I didnt have any sides on that test and dbol i was running adex 0.25 eod as a preventivr measure

Im not worried about e2, what worries me is prolactin

Will nolva only be enough to counter prolactin induced estrogen sensitivity?

Also i remember i read that u shouldnt take ai and nolva or mayb e it was just for adex, cant remember, cause of effectiveness reduction of one or both
But now i gotta find that post, i might be writing jibberish lol

Thx for the reply man

Im gonna go with nolva 10 to 20 mcg daily and see if it works

But what im also wondering is what gh said really true about elevated estro? I mean should we keep it at slightly elevated or just let it fly to the sky for the benefits?
P. S. Why is GH banned?

[Wannabhuge14]

Ah dont know if we understood eachother, I didnt have any sides on that test and dbol i was running adex 0.25 eod as a preventivr measure

Im not worried about e2, what worries me is prolactin

Will nolva only be enough to counter prolactin induced estrogen sensitivity?

Also i remember i read that u shouldnt take ai and nolva or mayb e it was just for adex, cant remember, cause of effectiveness reduction of one or both
But now i gotta find that post, i might be writing jibberish lol

Thx for the reply man

Im gonna go with nolva 10 to 20 mcg daily and see if it works

But what im also wondering is what gh said really true about elevated estro? I mean should we keep it at slightly elevated or just let it fly to the sky for the benefits?
P. S. Why is GH banned?

If prolactin is a concern, run mast. Lots of guy on here (myself included) use it alongside any 19 nor. It blunts prolactin at the receptor site kinda like what nolva will do with estrogen. MAST will help somewhat with the elevated estrogen as well. Anytime I run compounds that are going to make my e2 skyrocket I will run 10mg of nolva daily to be on the safe side. Unlike an ai it won't keep the estrogen from converting but will keep it from binding at the receptor site.