Tren & Lethargy

[< <Samson> >]

Is this a thing? I’m on 30mg EOD of pure home brew fire - strength is up, hungry af, awful ability to keep my breath, horny as hell, etc.

But, I’m getting lethargic af all the sudden - it’s kinda nice, after having months of severe anxiety - but, a tad odd even to me - like today, woke up for an hour and a half or so - fell back asleep for another 2



I got this kind of stuff from sDrol and Anadroll

[Cuz]

I get that from high androgen loads but at your dose doesnt seem like it would do that at least to me your case may be different

[charger69]

I am sort of fishing, but have you checked your hematocrit? I never really felt lethargic when I had high hematocrit, but the lack of oxygen I suppose could cause it.


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[EnduranceCamp]

I've ran tren 2 times. First time just nights sweats and was out of breath walking across the room. Second time I had no sides at all except lethargy. I could literally sleep all day. I had to drop it at 5 weeks because I was so tired. Both cycles were 50mg eod.

So Id def say its a thing.

[< <Samson> >]

I just did a blood donation about a month prior - it was aight(I can’t remember the exact number, but I posted it on here somewhere)

Again - I slept for 10 hours, just woke up. I feel great, but this is quite sudden when just a few weeks ago I was fighting to stay asleep till for 7 hours.

Weird


Feeling great otherwise tho - for the most part

[Hughinn]

Tren makes me lethargic. Tired all the time. Short of breath. Sweat profusely. No appetite.

It's so bad for me it's just not worth taking.

[tarmyg]

Tren makes me lethargic. Tired all the time. Short of breath. Sweat profusely. No appetite.

It's so bad for me it's just not worth taking.

As of 3/5 you had only done one Test-E cycle in your life. Exactly how would you know this?

[< <Samson> >]

Yeah, all that

Unfortunately, I don’t know if it’s the tren or my fucked up brain. . . It might be the 2nd

Yesterday, again - felt fine, didn’t go to the gym, did have my morning EOD shot - felt just fine, clouds start rolling in(we have been having some wild weather) - my head just goes to shit. Felt lightly nauseous, then just lethargic out of nowhere - to the point of laying out & falling asleep mid afternoon - woke up, felt like my head just got clocked lightly with a 2x4

This whole brain damage thing, sure puts a dampen on things at times

[Test Monsterone]

As of 3/5 you had only done one Test-E cycle in your life. Exactly how would you know this?

It's ok, he's a Trumpy, lies and truth don't matter.

[Cuz]

It's ok, he's a Trumpy, lies and truth don't matter.

Basically calling someone a liar over political beliefs. I know it’s easy to do we really need to get out of that trend here.

[Hughinn]

As of 3/5 you had only done one Test-E cycle in your life. Exactly how would you know this?

Because, I was given a bottle of dragon pharma tren several weeks ago, and couldn't get halfway through it. About three weeks in sweating profusely, couldn't sleep, short of breath and tired all time. I aborted. Won't ever mess with that stuff again. Still got a half a bottle I can't bring myself to toss.

The only complete cycle so far was the test e. Though. Not like I need to divulge all of what I do to you. But since you asked. Yes I tried some tren.

But I also tried some peptides. Cjc and imaporlen. I liked that stuff. Really helped me lean out.

[Hughinn]

It's ok, he's a Trumpy, lies and truth don't matter.

Test, I thought you and I were past that?

I haven't disrespected you , even when we disagree.
So why would you pop off with bullshit like that?

And why would I lie about trying tren? Seriously.

[Lethal Hamburger]

Anyway, yup I experience fatigue like hell when I go above 400mgs weekly. I don't sweat so much if I back off carbs and caffeine. Cold showers and shit load of water helps too.
Fatigue is understandable since tren hijacks your ass and replaces it with a psycho in beast mode!

[charger69]

SARM’s don’t even come close to AAS. SARM’s have less sides than AAS which is what you experienced.
You obviously went and just started taking AAS without adequately researching.
If you had better results on SARM’s then AAS then your AAS was underdosed unless you are referring to the sides encountered on tren.
I do use SARM’s occasionally, bUt no where near the results of AAS.


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[tarmyg]

Because, I was given a bottle of dragon pharma tren several weeks ago, and couldn't get halfway through it. About three weeks in sweating profusely, couldn't sleep, short of breath and tired all time. I aborted. Won't ever mess with that stuff again. Still got a half a bottle I can't bring myself to toss.

The only complete cycle so far was the test e. Though. Not like I need to divulge all of what I do to you. But since you asked. Yes I tried some tren.

But I also tried some peptides. Cjc and imaporlen. I liked that stuff. Really helped me lean out.

See, the problem with lying is to keep it all apart. Please stop posting in the AAS section as people can take you seriously and use your advice (based on nothing but lies) and potentially hurt themselves. As in the screenshot here, you are essentially endorsing a brand of gear, Cuz read your advice. And you are clearly just making things up as you go. Stay in the news section, at least no one is going to hurt themselves. Oh and note that date.

[Hughinn]

See, the problem with lying is to keep it all apart. Please stop posting in the AAS section as people can take you seriously and use your advice (based on nothing but lies) and potentially hurt themselves. As in the screenshot here, you are essentially endorsing a brand of gear, Cuz read your advice. And you are clearly just making things up as you go. Stay in the news section, at least no one is going to hurt themselves. Oh and note that date.

Go Fuck yourself bud. I don't have to divulge anything to you.

But I told you, I tried to run a bottle of tren several weeks ago. Couldn't finish it.

You want a picture of the bottle? It's still half full.

Your such an idiot.

Why would anyone lie about shit like that?

It's ridiculous. Get a life.

I realize we don't like each other. But give it a rest. I don't like you either. But I don't worry about it.

[Windex]

Go Fuck yourself bud. I don't have to divulge anything to you.

But I told you, I tried to run a bottle of tren several weeks ago. Couldn't finish it.

You want a picture of the bottle? It's still half full.

Your such an idiot.

Why would anyone lie about shit like that?

It's ridiculous. Get a life.

I realize we don't like each other. But give it a rest. I don't like you either. But I don't worry about it.

Do yourself a favour and stop posting nonsense or the door will hit you on the way out. Your attitude is not appropriate.

[Booz]

Hughinn you are being pulled up on your inconsistent posts about your steroid use.....
If it were someone else they too would be pulled up on it...
I have read your posts and they do contradict themselves....
Be mindful on what you say mate...
Let’s get this thread back on track please..

[< <Samson> >]

It’s quite comical to see folk get offended by online bullshittery

Ha ha

Try dying - you’ll get over it


Still don’t know wtf is up with me - just slept another 11 hours. Out like a rock, feels good - just not to my usual standards of being up early af ready to tackle the day.


For me to listen to anyone’s advice on roid related topics, you need to have more or the same tenure that I do

I been juiced for close to a decade & have pumped prob close to a liter of hormone loaded oil under my skin - soooooo

[Windex]

It’s quite comical to see folk get offended by online bullshittery

Ha ha

Try dying - you’ll get over it


Still don’t know wtf is up with me - just slept another 11 hours. Out like a rock, feels good - just not to my usual standards of being up early af ready to tackle the day.


For me to listen to anyone’s advice on roid related topics, you need to have more or the same tenure that I do

I been juiced for close to a decade & have pumped prob close to a liter of hormone loaded oil under my skin - soooooo

Injectable B12 might give you an energy boost. It may also be the thyroid. What's strange is your dose is so low it shouldn't be an issue.

[< <Samson> >]

Injectable B12 might give you an energy boost. It may also be the thyroid. What's strange is your dose is so low it shouldn't be an issue.

I have b12, I suppose I can try it

My thyroid did come in a tad low last time I got it checked - but, for one - I am so over hospitals, blood work, results from the blood work & so on

And, yeah - such a low dose. . . . Fuck if I know at this point. Just seemed to kinda coincide with me jumping on the Ace + I started getting winded as fuck when I started the tren. Strong as hell - but, huffing & puffing after walking for 15 mins or after heavy sets

Fucking brain damage - just makes anything possible


I’m trying to ride it out, but it’s odd - about four weeks ago lol could barely drink a 1/2 cup of coffee without crawling off the walls. Start the tren, a week or so goes by - I can drink double & fall asleep(actually did the other day)


+ it was so weird the other day. We’ve been having way off weather, see these massive cloud formations come in - I pass out for 3 hours. . . . But, when I’m coherent I feel great(well, aside from getting winded)

[Hughinn]

It’s quite comical to see folk get offended by online bullshittery

Ha ha

Try dying - you’ll get over it


Still don’t know wtf is up with me - just slept another 11 hours. Out like a rock, feels good - just not to my usual standards of being up early af ready to tackle the day.


For me to listen to anyone’s advice on roid related topics, you need to have more or the same tenure that I do

I been juiced for close to a decade & have pumped prob close to a liter of hormone loaded oil under my skin - soooooo

It's the tren dude.

It literally did the same thing to me. Tired all the time. I couldn't even finish the bottle. No appetite.

[Hughinn]

Hughinn you are being pulled up on your inconsistent posts about your steroid use.....
If it were someone else they too would be pulled up on it...
I have read your posts and they do contradict themselves....
Be mindful on what you say mate...
Let’s get this thread back on track please..

Ok I get it.
But look man. I tried to run a bottle of tren some weeks back. Why would I lie about it? Honestly.

That guy has an ass on for me because he's a liberal and he and his buddies lost a few debates in the news and political sections. He's one of a few people we have here that consistently sling insults when they lose debates. They'll sling insults left and right, but the second you make them look dumb, or insult them back they go sniveling to moderators. It is what it is. I'm apologizing to the guys here who had to see unproductive bs in this thread.

I shouldn't have told him to fuck himself.

And I admit I was wrong for it.

But lying about something like that is just plain ridiculous. He accused me because he has an ass on and was trying to be petty. And thats it. It's Ridiculous.

But thank you for reminding me to stay civil and try to be productive. I certainly will heed your advice.

Back on track.

To me, tren was bad stuff. Very lethargic. Felt awfully short of breath. Very tired al, the time, but still couldn't sleep well.

I couldn't even finish the bottle. The sides were just intolerable. It was literally exactly like samson described. One set winded me. I struggled to run around the block. Sweat profusely. And I only was on about 200-300 mg week. I made it about 4 weeks or so and couldn't stand it. I didn't even get halfway through the bottle. So it's damn sure not a cycle.

I think Samson might try to ditch the tren, give it about two weeks and see if it turns around.
It did for me. I just can't use the stuff myself.

Just mho

[Test Monsterone]

I have b12, I suppose I can try it

My thyroid did come in a tad low last time I got it checked - but, for one - I am so over hospitals, blood work, results from the blood work & so on

And, yeah - such a low dose. . . . Fuck if I know at this point. Just seemed to kinda coincide with me jumping on the Ace + I started getting winded as fuck when I started the tren. Strong as hell - but, huffing & puffing after walking for 15 mins or after heavy sets

Fucking brain damage - just makes anything possible


I’m trying to ride it out, but it’s odd - about four weeks ago lol could barely drink a 1/2 cup of coffee without crawling off the walls. Start the tren, a week or so goes by - I can drink double & fall asleep(actually did the other day)


+ it was so weird the other day. We’ve been having way off weather, see these massive cloud formations come in - I pass out for 3 hours. . . . But, when I’m coherent I feel great(well, aside from getting winded)

One of the reasons I haven't done tren is because of the supposed effects on the brain. With alzheimer's patients there is an increase in amyloid proteins which show up as white matter on brain scans. This same protein is said to increase with tren use. I've heard and read from guys that say people change after running tren for a long time.

I'm curious why you decided to run tren again? You have some balls running that after what happened last year. It's gotta be the bee's knees, I suppose.

[Cuz]

One of the reasons I haven't done tren is because of the supposed effects on the brain. With alzheimer's patients there is an increase in amyloid proteins which show up as white matter on brain scans. This same protein is said to increase with tren use. I've heard and read from guys that say people change after running tren for a long time.

I'm curious why you decided to run tren again? You have some balls running that after what happened last year. It's gotta be the bee's knees, I suppose.

Got any links with that claim? Certainly not disagreeing. Its very believable

[Test Monsterone]

Got any links with that claim? Certainly not disagreeing. Its very believable

There are a number of results online, but they seem to be pointing to this study:

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/25461682/


This explains it a bit beter:

https://www.ergo-log.com/trenbolone-...er-s-risk.html

[wango]

One of the reasons I haven't done tren is because of the supposed effects on the brain. With alzheimer's patients there is an increase in amyloid proteins which show up as white matter on brain scans. This same protein is said to increase with tren use. I've heard and read from guys that say people change after running tren for a long time.

I'm curious why you decided to run tren again? You have some balls running that after what happened last year. It's gotta be the bee's knees, I suppose.

Thanks for that info, not, lol. First mast and var f’s with my hair; and I also had to deep six all of my proviron that I just bought a bunch of as well. Now tren is going to lead to me being more senile, lovely. Well, I’ll take senility over thin hair at this stage, cause yeah, it was the bee’s knees! I’ll only compromise so much.

[Cuz]

Thanks for that info, not, lol. First mast and var f’s with my hair; and I also had to deep six all of my proviron that I just bought a bunch of as well. Now tren is going to lead to me being more senile, lovely. Well, I’ll take senility over thin hair at this stage, cause yeah, it was the bee’s knees! I’ll only compromise so much.

Something i may develop with or without tren, if even i live that long? Yea gimme the tren

[Test Monsterone]

I should probably do tren cause I know I’m not reaching my golden years. I don’t know, I guess I wanna live a bit longer and tren would probably kill me quicker than these weak ass cycles I run.

[Cuz]

I should probably do tren cause I know I’m not reaching my golden years. I don’t know, I guess I wanna live a bit longer and tren would probably kill me quicker than these weak ass cycles I run.

Just dont get stupid with the dose. I think 400 mg should be a max dose of tren for a short period of time

[wango]

Just dont get stupid with the dose. I think 400 mg should be a max dose of tren for a short period of time

Holy crap. 75 mg made me “grumpy”. 150, I screwed up relationships that needed a lot of repair afterwards. Plus was sweating through 2-3 shirts a day outside of the gym. Shortness of breath was annoying, sex drive was crazy.

400?!?!?

[Booz]

I don’t use tren above 200mgs weekly anymore and that’s if I even go to that...
That dose gives me what I want out of it and I only want to kill people 50% of the time.....,

[charger69]

I don’t use tren above 200mgs weekly anymore and that’s if I even go to that...
That dose gives me what I want out of it and I only want to kill people 50% of the time.....,

Then up it to 700!!! You won’t WANT to kill people, you WILL. [emoji23]


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[Cuz]

Holy crap. 75 mg made me “grumpy”. 150, I screwed up relationships that needed a lot of repair afterwards. Plus was sweating through 2-3 shirts a day outside of the gym. Shortness of breath was annoying, sex drive was crazy.

400?!?!?

Id say 400 would be max weekly dose obviously if you are a very serious bodybuilder. Im doing around 200 right now and tolerating fine. 300 is about the most ive ever done and it was brief. I still have room to grow into my dose

[viloetribes]

First run with tren E skipped the ace just lazy AF used to clean do side projects the misses yeah not a fan of tren but hey what can I say thumbs up on the first round also if I take nova, arimidex or caber I get in a foul mood so I just skipped that nonsense once I found out my estro was in range no need for emotional fluctuations


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[charger69]

Id say 400 would be max weekly dose obviously if you are a very serious bodybuilder. Im doing around 200 right now and tolerating fine. 300 is about the most ive ever done and it was brief. I still have room to grow into my dose

Come on Cuz..... join the 700 club. [emoji23]
I did 900 for two weeks and I was afraid I was going to kill someone so I lowered it.
I was lucky I didn’t get killed because I was soaking our bed and I have this sickening stench in my sweat while on tren. Sort of like formaldehyde. When you can’t stand your own sweat... it is really bad.
Wifey was not a happy camper, however she wanted me to take more. Whenever she got in a fight with me ( never the other way around), she would say, looks like your missing your injection, maybe you ought to go and inject. LMAO
I was thinking.... you really do not want me doing that.


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[wango]

Id say 400 would be max weekly dose obviously if you are a very serious bodybuilder. Im doing around 200 right now and tolerating fine. 300 is about the most ive ever done and it was brief. I still have room to grow into my dose

I might have some fun this Summer and run 200-250. I’ll pre-warn anyone pertinent that I know. It’s cool, they’ll understand.

[Hughinn]

Come on Cuz..... join the 700 club. [emoji23]
I did 900 for two weeks and I was afraid I was going to kill someone so I lowered it.
I was lucky I didn’t get killed because I was soaking our bed and I have this sickening stench in my sweat while on tren. Sort of like formaldehyde. When you can’t stand your own sweat... it is really bad.
Wifey was not a happy camper, however she wanted me to take more. Whenever she got in a fight with me ( never the other way around), she would say, looks like your missing your injection, maybe you ought to go and inject. LMAO
I was thinking.... you really do not want me doing that.


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Someone on here awhile back. I think it was the deadliftdog. Said he ran a moderately high dose cycle of tren. And said he doesn't think his head has been the same since.

[Booz]

Then up it to 700!!! You won’t WANT to kill people, you WILL. [emoji23]


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Mate I cannot risk it...
Got to the point my temper was so short I was pulling lorrydrivers out of their cabs through something and nothing.....
I have a great girlfriend at the moment and I really do t want to fuck this relationship up...
Looked my best biggest n leanest doing a cycle with 600 tren in it....
But I was like a walking time bomb...
I feel it with 200 but can keep it in check...
I just run high doses of other shit lol...

[almostgone]

Yeah, all that

Unfortunately, I don’t know if it’s the tren or my fucked up brain. . . It might be the 2nd

Yesterday, again - felt fine, didn’t go to the gym, did have my morning EOD shot - felt just fine, clouds start rolling in(we have been having some wild weather) - my head just goes to shit. Felt lightly nauseous, then just lethargic out of nowhere - to the point of laying out & falling asleep mid afternoon - woke up, felt like my head just got clocked lightly with a 2x4

This whole brain damage thing, sure puts a dampen on things at times

Honestly, with what you've been through, I would pull a CBC, an iron panel, and probably a PT/INR. It would answer several questions at once.

COVID really fvcked me IMHO, my labs were the worst they ever been. Hgb is hitting around 19 and HCT was either 56 or 58. Anyway therapeutic phlebotomy tomorrow and probably and a few other measures as well.

I have genetic defect that causes me to throw clots at the drop of a hat and also I overproduce Hgb and Hct. With the genetic problem, platelet count is irrelevant, because there's an actual defect in the clotting cascade.

FWIW, 200mg of tren ace/week is about my max these days, although I occasionally/rarely will run 200mg NPP/week alongside it with my TRT.

Bottom line, I recommend pulling the panels I mentioned at a minimum and a thyroid panel would be a nice addition.

Stay healthy, Samson!!