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    Why we hate actors

    You know, I know we’re not supposed to make things political here these days, but I wanted to explore the reasons for why so many people seem to share a dislike for Hollywood, aka “Hollyweird.” To me, as a person who doesn’t pay much attention to what actors are doing or saying, I have found that people of a certain political mindset seem to have a bigger problem with actors than the other side. Why? I can only assume it’s due to the fact that most actors have openly stated opinions that are misaligned with those of that certain political leaning.

    I started to wonder why it appears that most of the Hollywood folks, or “elites” as some would call them, have a certain political leaning? Let’s explore what it means to be an actor:

    Contrary to popular belief, the job of acting is actually very difficult for most people. The “struggling” or “starving” actor are terms we often hear. Most come from blue-collar backgrounds, from all parts of this country and outside of it, and all end up in these pockets of industry (most commonly and historically Los Angeles and New York). They are typically passionate about their career choice because it is very difficult to pursue a passion that for the vast majority doesn’t pay very well. I have heard that something like 1 in a thousand auditions gets picked up. So if 1000 people audition for the same role, only 1 of them will get it. Most actors work multiple jobs, at odd hours, that afford them to spend their time auditioning and practicing their craft. Some lucky few are very talented and get lucky early on, though even these ones usually struggled for years before they ever received any recognition.

    During these countless auditions and within the world of struggling actors, there are people from all cultures and races. Hollywood is a mirror/conglomeration of society in some ways, so it’s understandable that there will be a concentration of everyone into a relatively small space, ie the pockets of industry.

    What is the job of acting? Acting means to literally pretend to be someone else. What do good actors do? They become someone else. To become someone else is to understand the character and their situation, to put yourself in their shoes, to empathize with the character, to adopt their belief system, etc. To be a good, dynamic actor, one must be open-minded to the different types of personalities and walks of life that exist.

    Now besides actors being diverse and concentrated, the good ones also get to go to a lot of cool and interesting places. They often film in various parts of the country and internationally. To be an actor means to travel and see the world, more or less. To see the world means to open your eyes to its cultures, people, and realities.

    It is my belief that the combination of innate curiosity into the human psychology that is required to be a good actor, the “walking in someone else’s shoes” so to speak, the empathy to understand and feel what someone else is feeling, leads to a certain type of individual that leans in a certain political way. No, not all of them do. In fact, some may be afraid to speak out politically because of public perception within their ranks. I’m sure this is true on both sides of the political spectrum, but we can still assume that the majority lean in a certain direction.

    Now, through my research, I have found that not only actors appear to favor certain political beliefs. In fact, most musicians and most writers seem to share the same belief system. We can remember how many of theses musicians asked (some more politely than others) to not be used in certain political demonstrations during our last two elections. What do most of these professions have in common? They are anti-establishment, they often portray the underdog, give a voice to the struggling and to the oppressed, and give comfort to the afflicted. Remember, most actors were once poor and struggling. The opposing political belief system tries to limit power to most and conserve it for just the few, quite the opposite of what it means to be an actor/musician/writer.

    In our current political state we have developed and polarized into two belief systems. One is inclusive, and the other, more-or-less exclusive. One seems to support social programs, young struggling families, the blue collar worker, minority causes, labor laws, gender equality, etc, while the other seems less socially inclusive, favors mostly the richest in terms of economic benefits and laws to deregulate corporations, eliminates or reduces social programs, and effectuates a trickle down economy with the top 1% benefiting the greatest monetary benefits with hopes that the profits will trickle down to remaining 99% (which has yet to happen, historically speaking). Two examples of this are Medicare and social security. Can you guess which political party created these?

    There was a time when most of Hollywood had the opposite political leanings. This was the time before the 1950’s when acting, once again, was a mirror of society at that time - which, let’s face it, was a lot more black and white. Over time, with things such as the “Actor’s Studio,” the craft of acting became less homogenized and more inclusive to people from all walks of life.

    Now with the cards stacked so firmly against the establishment, and those with certain less inclusive political leanings, how can those certain few at the top gain the acceptance of the masses that of which it does not benefit? Enter falsehoods, conspiracy theories, etc. Notice how conspiracy theories tend to come from one side and are directed unilaterally. When there are no real arguments against a belief system, one must invent reasons to oppose and create fear in the minds of the gullible. One of these belief is that Hollywood are some kind of evil devil worshippers, that they hate America, that they are attention and money hungry (let’s not confuse social media “stars” with actors). I disagree. I believe that in order to become a good actor you must be a perceptive person who understands people and their beliefs. I believe it is the news and gossip media that puts the emphasis on constantly displaying the lives of these people on TV and the internet, ad nauseam, and usually in a bad light. But what drives this behavior? People. Bored, lonely, sad people are consumers of inflated, conflated, and downright inflammatory gossip and news media. We are the cause and we are the victims. Imagine constantly hearing about what your neighbors said, what they did at work, who they’re hanging out with, etc? It would get pretty annoying, rather quickly. No, not all of us participate in this behavior of devouring this trashy type of information, but we are not the intended targets anyhow. But, let’s face it, we all click on the catchy and inflammatory headlines which often end up being falsely portrayed stories/bait and switch for ad views.

    Just like not all people of certain political leanings are what the media portrays them to be, not all actors and actresses are self-absorbed, attention seeking, assholes. I would bet that the majority of serious actors are sick of the attention and would just like to have a normal life where people do not inquire into their lives and to expose them or invent stories about them. Actors, like musicians, writers, and other performing arts practitioners are just people. They just happen to have a microscope and a magnifying glass pointed at them constantly. Anyway, fuck it, I’m gonna try to go back to sleep now.
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    There are a LOT of acting jobs available now days for most anyone who is interested. Just look at all the fake product reviews for one. Most new channels hire people to be for background shots and most everything in between. Who would have ever though you could make money with youtube or twitter just by being stupid, entertaining or pretty and have a lot of followers? Thats all acting in a sense. Crazy world we live in getting paid to be fake instead of actually making or creating something.

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    I don't have anything against female porn actresses... If I have anything against their male counterparts, it is rather deeply rooted (you see what I did there? you get the connection: male porn stars, deeply and rooted...) in jealousy. Jealous that they are doing it, and that I am not... Ha Ha Ha...

    TM, bro, to pen a post like that; you got a lot of time on your hands, brother...

    Now, I will make a batch of popcorn, sit back and enjoy watching the TS meltdown / proceed to have this thread locked, due to transgression of the rules regarding politics. Which in fact seems to be what TM is fabled for here on the forum...

    Let the spectacle begin, gents...!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lovbyts View Post
    There are a LOT of acting jobs available now days for most anyone who is interested. Just look at all the fake product reviews for one. Most new channels hire people to be for background shots and most everything in between. Who would have ever though you could make money with youtube or twitter just by being stupid, entertaining or pretty and have a lot of followers? Thats all acting in a sense. Crazy world we live in getting paid to be fake instead of actually making or creating something.
    byta, brother...!!!

    How's the PI treating you, bro?

    Still "Disneyland for Adults" down that way?

    I got a good buddy, another retired guy, livin large and in charge down in that neck of the woods...

    Best of luck to you bro...!!!

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    Im back in the states. I was a working vacation for the most part. Had to finish up and repair a few things on my house over there and getting anyone to do anything the right way is like pulling teeth. Everyone says No problem and they will start tomorrow but tomorrow means sometime next week and no problem means they might be able to do it or they know someone who knows someone.

    Of course it had its highlights and its fun running around in the mountains in the provinces where cute young girls literally scream and come running after the car you are in to get your attention. Gives a guy an idea how rock stars live.

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    Quote Originally Posted by XnavyHMCS View Post
    I don't have anything against female porn actresses... If I have anything against their male counterparts, it is rather deeply rooted (you see what I did there? you get the connection: male porn stars, deeply and rooted...) in jealousy. Jealous that they are doing it, and that I am not... Ha Ha Ha...

    TM, bro, to pen a post like that; you got a lot of time on your hands, brother...

    Now, I will make a batch of popcorn, sit back and enjoy watching the TS meltdown / proceed to have this thread locked, due to transgression of the rules regarding politics. Which in fact seems to be what TM is fabled for here on the forum...

    Let the spectacle begin, gents...!!!
    Transgression of the rules happen constantly from many members in here with constantly bashing Biden for reasons that are not clear to me. The only difference is that the ones who run the forum are right-leaning so they let it slide. Then soon as I say something, we get the “now now” comments. There is a clear double-standard.

    To be honest we cannot discuss things like the Ukraine conflict as if it exists in a vacuum, especially the previous administration meddling in providing aid to Ukraine, allowing Russia to take over in Syria, and playing stupid when it comes to Russian crimes on meddling in foreign elections. Yet, it seems you would like me to sit idly while I hear Samson, Cuz, yourself, and numerous others bash the current president for problems started by previous administrations. Doesn’t make much sense, does it? Seems to me I’m making a lot of solid points while people just spew facts and pseudo-facts as long as it runs along the forum-aligned rhetoric. It’s ok, I know where I stand intellectually, I’ll let you guys believe what you want, for the sake of keeping peace in the forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Test Monsterone View Post
    Transgression of the rules happen constantly from many members in here with constantly bashing Biden for reasons that are not clear to me. The only difference is that the ones who run the forum are right-leaning so they let it slide. Then soon as I say something, we get the “now now” comments. There is a clear double-standard.

    To be honest we cannot discuss things like the Ukraine conflict as if it exists in a vacuum, especially the previous administration meddling in providing aid to Ukraine, allowing Russia to take over in Syria, and playing stupid when it comes to Russian crimes on meddling in foreign elections. Yet, it seems you would like me to sit idly while I hear Samson, Cuz, yourself, and numerous others bash the current president for problems started by previous administrations. Doesn’t make much sense, does it? Seems to me I’m making a lot of solid points while people just spew facts and pseudo-facts as long as it runs along the forum-aligned rhetoric. It’s ok, I know where I stand intellectually, I’ll let you guys believe what you want, for the sake of keeping peace in the forum.
    Well I for one don’t know about all of that, but I’m happy it’s getting warmer and Summer is on its way.

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    I don’t always agree with you TMO, but I don’t think you’re a pot stirrer. You’re obviously highly intelligent, extremely articulate and always debate your causes and cases with principle and vigor.

    I pray the days of the extremism that had run amuck is long over with and we can all agree to disagree. You’re sure as shit not alone in expressing your opinions and there’s a few on here that can’t keep their opinions out of anything, it’s exhausting. I tend to stay the fuck away but do feel compelled to defend a guy like you that I rarely see eye to eye on, simply because you always make an excellent case and worthy of the right to express yourself (and I love me some XNavy). I take far more umbrage with the few that have something to say on EVERYTHING. It dilutes their voice beyond what I find valuable…

    I’m of the opinion that good natured debates and well intended disagreements are paramount to the freedoms we all hold so dearly.

    No need for name calling or calling anyone out.
    Agree to disagree boys, simple as that.

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    I’ve heard stories from friends in the business that basically make major actors out to be a lot like everyone. That is, there are jerks and there are genuinely nice people. I’ve seen paparazzi at a restaurant and it’s ridiculously surreal, & to have to deal with that 24/7 has to be a grind and frustrating, but they better handle it well or it’s going to be all over TMZ.

    I’ve met and treated a few and they were good folks and could be very down to earth, but it could have been for appearance. However after several times seeing them and just chatting, you can get a good feel.

    I do know that it is a brutal and cut throat industry and one which I’d stay well away from. My small Monday morning breakfast crew is partially a bunch of aspiring writers and producers. What they endure for the sake of displaying their art is insanely commendable (BTW, their political views are varied and definitely not exclusively to the left). I just saw a new documentary on Marilyn Monroe. Was she flawed, hell yeah, but the behind the scenes work/effort she put into her acting skills was amazing. She approached it like guys here approach their physique.

    That said, it’s a life of appearance. To go to those areas of Los Angeles, to go to great restaurants (sorry, I dig my food thanks to my wife’s corruption) you have to have a certain look/attitude , a Hollywood look/attitude. I stay away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wango View Post
    I’ve heard stories from friends in the business that basically make major actors out to be a lot like everyone. That is, there are jerks and there are genuinely nice people. I’ve seen paparazzi at a restaurant and it’s ridiculously surreal, & to have to deal with that 24/7 has to be a grind and frustrating, but they better handle it well or it’s going to be all over TMZ.

    I’ve met and treated a few and they were good folks and could be very down to earth, but it could have been for appearance. However after several times seeing them and just chatting, you can get a good feel.

    I do know that it is a brutal and cut throat industry and one which I’d stay well away from. My small Monday morning breakfast crew is partially a bunch of aspiring writers and producers. What they endure for the sake of displaying their art is insanely commendable (BTW, their political views are varied and definitely not exclusively to the left). I just saw a new documentary on Marilyn Monroe. Was she flawed, hell yeah, but the behind the scenes work/effort she put into her acting skills was amazing. She approached it like guys here approach their physique.

    That said, it’s a life of appearance. To go to those areas of Los Angeles, to go to great restaurants (sorry, I dig my food thanks to my wife’s corruption) you have to have a certain look/attitude , a Hollywood look/attitude. I stay away.
    To be the best at anything in the world requires an incredible amount of dedication and focus. I respect them for that, but yeah, they can be a little weird. During my short 1-year stint in Los Angeles, I did notice what you describe. I was taking an acting class and I was at a breakfast place with my friend talking about the scene we were practicing and this random guy that looked like he could have been homeless came over and started talking to us and giving us all kinds of advice about acting. He was working on a script. At times it seemed like many of these people were only interested in making friendships with people who had something to give them, or the next step to their next step.

    This music industry guy who worked with Whitney Houston and some other big names in the 80's and early 90's invited us to his home in Toluca Lake for Thanks Giving. He was in his 70's and his wife was 50-something, and pretty hot. He had a liver transplant a few years back at that point and wasn't drinking. I guess I kind of stood out to him because I was just some dude from Pittsburgh, but he took a liking to me and we started talking about all kinds of stuff. He asked me if I smoke weed and if I had any and we went to his garage and smoked together and he showed me his classic cars (some 50's and 60's big wing Cadillacs). The guy was really a nice, charismatic guy. I guess at that age, you have nothing else to prove and no one to impress. I had really cool experiences like that from time to time. It's funny how in places like LA sometimes strangers become your family for a while, or a night.

    In another instance I went to a fancy house party in Beverly Hills with a pool outside and people swimming, doing drugs, a DJ playing music outside... the house was open, you could literally walk in any room. It was nuts. I sat on a bench and started rolling a blunt, and this guy in his late 40's/early 50's walks up to me with what I assumed was his girlfriend and sits next to me. He goes "mind if I smoke with you?" I was like "sure..." bla bla bla, and we got into a conversation. Come to find out he was a producer on the cartoon "Rug Rats." Every time I drink I crave cigarettes so I went up to a couple of guys who were smoking and asked for a cigarette... the guy gives me a couple. I start smoking by the pool and I see this pretty girl in the pool swimming over to me. She says "Hi, what's your name?" I start talking to her and she has a French accent and tells me she's from France, her story, etc. She asks me if I have a cigarette for her, and I say "no, but I can get some..." so I go to the same guys, get 2 more cigarettes, but being drunk and having wet hands from kneeling by the pool, I ruined the cigarettes. I was also high as shit, so I just kind of got up and walked away lol. I started feeling nauseous (as I often did when I smoked weed after being drunk) and my buddy and I left.

    LA was a cool place, so different, so unique. A very misunderstood place, very strange... I could see how easy it is to get lost in it's various cultural pockets or groups. I feel like it was a dream at this point - so different than my current reality. Awesome memories, though.

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