Thread: From the Al-Jazeera Website
06-15-2004, 11:19 PM #1
From the Al-Jazeera Website
I understand having a no negotiation policy with terrorists, however I think we need to start, we are losing this war and this guy is goona die. My feeling is maybe we should discuss how we can all live together, and if that doesn't work, then nuke these bastards. Too many innocent people are dying, and as an American I blame some (very few) of these deaths on our policies.
They did start this war but we need to step back and see how we can really win because our current method isn't working. JMO.
Paul Johnson, 49, of Stafford Township, New Jersey, was abducted on Saturday by a group calling itself "Al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula". The organisation is believed to be headed by al-Qaida's chief in the kingdom, Abd Allah Aziz al-Muqrin.
A hooded man read a statement on the tape which was released on Tuesday. As he was reading, a subtitle on the screen identified him as al-Muqrin.
His statement was similar to a printed message on the Web site that carried the name of al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula. It said the group gave Saudi authorities 72 hours to release "mujahadeen" fighters or it would kill the hostage.
The tape, which was first aired by CNN, showed Johnson sitting in a chair with his profile to the camera, a large tattoo on his left arm. It displayed his Lockheed Martin identification card. Johnson was employed by the American defense giant and worked on Apache helicopters.
Adil al-Jubair, foreign affairs adviser to the Saudi government, said shortly after the video appeared that the kingdom would consult with the US administration about how to proceed, but Riyadh like Washington has a strict no-negotiation policy.
Paul Johnson's ID was posted
on the internet
"We don't negotiate with terrorists. We don't negotiate with hostage-takers," al-Jubair said in an interview on CNN.
Al-Jubair denounced the hostage-takers, but said it was premature to be able to verify any of the information on the video, saying, "We can't simply go with what appears on Web sites."
"It shows the cruel and inhumane face of the enemy we're dealing with," al-Jubair said.
The statement on the Web site says the holy warriors of the Arabian peninsula's Falluja Brigade has "hit" the engineering team that "oversees the development of the American Apache helicopter that attacks Muslims in Palestine and Afghanistan."
"We can't simply go with what appears on Web sites"
Foreign affairs adviser to the Saudi government
It says: "The Falluja Brigade has killed the director of this team and kidnapped one of its engineers, Paul Johnson, and if the tyrannical Saudi government wants their American master to be released, then they have to release our holy warriors that are held in Hair, Ruweis and Alisha prisons within 72 hours of this statement's date."
The day Johnson was seized, armed dissidents shot dead another American, Kenneth Scroggs, from Laconia, New Hampshire, in his garage. Scroggs was the third Westerner killed in a week. An Irish cameraman for the BBC was shot to death on 6 June and another American was killed in his garage on 8 June.
Saudi security forces arrested an armed dissident north of Riyadh on Tuesday as they stepped up their presence in and around the city in a hunt for Johnson's kidnappers.
06-15-2004, 11:26 PM #2
If we negotiate, then more inncidents will happen when people realize they can get what they want.
06-15-2004, 11:27 PM #3
I disagree. While the death of a human is always a tragic event, these people choose to work in a risky environment for an entremely high wages. If you value your life more than a paycheque don't go work in the middle east.
06-15-2004, 11:29 PM #4Senior Member
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As much as people would like to save this guys life, its just not possible.
06-15-2004, 11:45 PM #5
I thought about that too. Like that kid from PA that got his head chopped off, he made a decision to go over there. I just don't like the idea of these guys brutaly killing Americans, it's like a spit in the face, we need to really flex on these low life bastards. They do this and these liberals cry over what is going on in that prison.
Originally Posted by chicamahomico
06-15-2004, 11:55 PM #6
this **** is never going to end. I dont even watch the news anymore cause hearing about how many people got killed today is just too depressing
06-15-2004, 11:56 PM #7
Never beleve Al Jazera. They have been removed from our ME installations due to spreading the opposite of what they were told. They spread gossip - they should not be considered a reliable news source. (BTW - the Jordanian chick is HOT!) That is all...
06-15-2004, 11:56 PM #8AR Hall of Fame
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Ditto. It ain't my war to fight.
Wasn't my idea, my problem, my issue, my nose in anyone else's sh*t, etc.
U expect ME to die for that shiznit? Phuckin' crazy.......
06-15-2004, 11:57 PM #9
This isn't an accusation, just a speculation, do you think it is possible it is OUR media thats being lied to or voluntarily lying and there media is the accurate one?
Originally Posted by Warrior
06-15-2004, 11:58 PM #10Originally Posted by PrairieDawg
06-15-2004, 11:59 PM #11Senior Member
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06-16-2004, 12:07 AM #12Originally Posted by Lozgod
06-16-2004, 12:57 AM #13Retired Vet
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You can bet your life the US administration is talking to terrorists. It happens in all war's, happened here when the British held talks with the IRA for over 30 yrs.
Oh, their talking alright.
06-16-2004, 01:15 AM #14
Publicly, we dont negotiate with terrorists. Behind the scenes, things are being done to prevent such things. There are SO MANY events that we dont hear about that take place on a daily basis. Step back and realize ALL the things the media does not and IS NOT allowed to talk about. Realize all the classified missions that take place on a daily basis. Dont be naive and think you know everything just because you havent heard otherwise.
06-16-2004, 08:18 AM #15
The policy of not negotiating is open to interpretation. Its always a matter of lesser evil.
Example..Afgan rebels were the lesser evil during the USSR era, We really will never know what goes on behind closed (political) doors. but in a case like this where the local government has been surprisingly active against the criminals we can only guess the outcome.
And I must humbly disagree with chicamahomico, just because the situation is know to be dangeorous doesnt mean the innocent isnt eligable to any of the protection, and service the law has to offer. No different from a rock climber who gets stuck and needs rescue.
06-17-2004, 11:04 AM #16Associate Member
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its an unjust war and as long as US is there, there will be blood shed on both sides, and no nuking them will not be the solution!
the following must be done to end this war:
#1 complete take over of the operations by UN coalition.
#2 cancelation of all illegal contracts that have been made recently benefiting american construction companies by the billions. the elected government of iraq (dec 2005) must choose who they will give contracts to, not the US government giving its self some lucarative contracts that will make a bunch of texans even richer in the expense of thousands of lives and world stability.
#3 the us ppl must begin to play a responsible role in ellecting responsible/accountable government, not a pupet government.
#4 the US should not force democracy on other nations coz that goes against the idea of DEMOCRACY in the first place.
#5 stop supporting the most harsh and corrupt regimes like the saudi regime, when at the same time this fake war is suppose to be about "protecting the free world".
until the US stops its empirialist goals in the oil rich countries, there will remain the so called "terrorists", and it will get worse and worse.
ppl just want to have rights just like you and I.
but sadly with all that said, the war will go on and blood shed will continoue to occur because the self interest groups in the US will not let things happen differently. there are billions of dollars worth of weapons to sell in the expense of taxpayers money and there are billions of dollars worth of construction contracts to illegaly come up with.
06-17-2004, 11:26 AM #17
I agree with points 2, 3, and 4. This Democraric crusade is wrong as wrong gets. It is a form of tyranny, forcing nations in to democracy or feel our wrath. Higherarchy societies are a tradition in Africa and the Middle East. I am greatful to live in a free society, however I do hate some aspects about America.
Originally Posted by redwizza
06-17-2004, 03:03 PM #18Originally Posted by Lozgod
06-17-2004, 03:13 PM #19Originally Posted by tryingto******
06-17-2004, 03:15 PM #20
Heard of Entebe Operation? That's the only way to deal with terrorists.
06-17-2004, 04:15 PM #21Originally Posted by Warrior
06-17-2004, 04:19 PM #22Originally Posted by tryingto******
06-17-2004, 04:20 PM #23Originally Posted by Warrior
06-17-2004, 04:23 PM #24
I disagree Warrior, he was there for the several hundred to fifteen hundred or so a day that professionals make for working there. He was not just there to help out, he was acting in his own self interest and accepted a big risk which led to an unfortunate event for him and his family.
Originally Posted by Warrior
06-17-2004, 04:32 PM #25Originally Posted by chicamahomico
06-17-2004, 04:39 PM #26
I didn't say he was being selfish, I said he was acting in his own self interest, which he is. Certainly, he didn't take the job for the betterment of mankind, he took it for teh big paycheque.
Originally Posted by Warrior
06-18-2004, 04:15 PM #27Heard of Entebe Operation? That's the only way to deal with terrorists.
Yes my Jewish princess
I believe it was called OPERATION THUNDERBALL
Very succesful operation. There was only 1 commando death. And that was the leader of the operation, Yohni Netanyahou, a national hero, who was killed by a sniper
06-18-2004, 06:13 PM #28Originally Posted by Umberto
Well, you know history. Yoni Netanyahu, the brother of Bibi. The operation was successful and all passangers of the Air France flight were rescued. That's the only way to deal with terrorists
06-18-2004, 06:31 PM #29
06-19-2004, 10:41 AM #30Originally Posted by Rak_Ani
06-19-2004, 10:45 AM #31Originally Posted by Rak_Ani
Israel calls Hizbollah Terrorists, yet is frequently negotiates with Hizbollah. Even though they say they dont negotiate with Terrorists.
06-20-2004, 08:50 PM #32
are you from Chechnya?
A rebel fighter?
Maybe you can start a thread explaining the troubles in Chechnya. Im not too familiar. Please tell me it is about land and not insane Muslim radicals.
06-21-2004, 08:43 AM #33Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
06-21-2004, 09:13 AM #34
Radical muslims?! NO?! Who would of thought....
06-21-2004, 09:14 AM #35Originally Posted by singern
06-21-2004, 09:17 AM #36Originally Posted by CAUSASIAN
They don't negotiate with terrorist for kidnapped or highjacked people. This would only give a free ticket for stupid **** from those ignorant bastards.
I would slap them all with my shoe. Stupid ****s.
06-22-2004, 06:07 AM #37Originally Posted by singern
Bye Bye Israel The Jewish race does not have the capability to retain a state for a long period of time, 50 years fine, 100 fine, 200 fine, 200+ highly unlikely. This is not racist, its based on historic fact.
They are bound to turn on each other, and get overrun by the Arab Youth Population explosion. Maybe when the Russians calm down a bit, the Chechan Youth can help our Palestinian brothers.
06-22-2004, 06:17 AM #38Originally Posted by Umberto
06-22-2004, 06:51 AM #39
06-22-2004, 06:53 AM #40
who are these guys?
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