08-06-2004, 08:31 PM #1
Has anyone actually done a Deca only cycle??
It seems like everyone is constantly slamming Deca but if you take the Deca d**k issue out of the equation it seems you have a very safe moderatly strong steroid without worrying to much about hair loss or prostate cancer...All gear shuts down your natural test production dbol winny tren take any of them without test and you are gonna get a limp noodle eventually.
(ready with my flame retardant suit for what is sure to come)
08-06-2004, 08:39 PM #2
Yes..... Before I found this sight and had any clue about what i was doing. It's a real bad idea. I only did six weeks, every workout sucked because I was absolutely lethargic and had no energy, and no real gains to speak of. It's true when they say if you don't have test, you don't have a cycle.
08-06-2004, 08:42 PM #3
I did 5 weeks before I got some test in there.
I felt like ****. Tired and real cranky. I was pissed off about every thing all the time. started the test......it all cleared up.
I like deca ...Ilove it with test
08-06-2004, 08:46 PM #4
08-06-2004, 09:17 PM #5
I am a week into one now I just moved here and its all I have..I havnt even found a decent gym yet I am working out at the YMCA and None of the 90 year old patrons seem to have any gear....you guys think I wont get anything out of it?
08-06-2004, 10:57 PM #6Originally Posted by justaname
I use stupid analogies all too often, but here's another:
You'll hear many people say, "I did a deca only cycle, and I had no problems". Likely true. Similarly, you could hear many people say, "I ran out into oncoming traffic and didn't get hurt"...this may very well be true too.....my point is, don't go out into oncoming traffic in the first place.
Deca is notorious for increasing prolactin levels...elevated prolactin levels are known to inhibit dopaminergic actions. This can lead to depression-like states (and full-blown depression) as well as libido issues. Also, deca has relatively little androgenic component to it, yet taking it shuts down endogenous test and therefore DHT synthesis....this leaves you in an androgen-deprived state, so gains will tend to be very "soft". The main reason for adding test though, is that testosteron is dopaminergic.......it counters the anti-dopaminergic effects of elevated prolactin from deca. Sure, you should be taking something to combat elevated prolactin in the first place, but that still won't take care of the lack of androgens in your body.
Don't just write off the fact that so many warn against a deca only cycle......sure, thread parroting has become epidemic, but when so many are singin gthe same song, there's likely good reason for it.
08-06-2004, 11:30 PM #7
yes, and simply put it was hell coming off
08-06-2004, 11:39 PM #8Originally Posted by einstein1905
08-06-2004, 11:45 PM #9
08-07-2004, 02:13 AM #10Originally Posted by BeefCakeStew
08-07-2004, 03:31 AM #11Originally Posted by 50%Natural
What I should have said is, DHT conversion optimizes the effects of Testosterone on libido and the other androgenic functions of Testosterone ; however, with supraphysiological Testosterone levels , the Test alone should act well enough on the centers in the brain controlling libido and on the receptors controlling muscle quality. Also, since Test levels are very high, I doubt finasteride will completely inhibit Test to DHT conversion enough to create an androgen deficient state significant enough to adversely effect (above a reasonable degree) muscle quality and/or libido, CNS..., via AR's or any other mechanisms.
Again, correct me if I am wrong.
08-07-2004, 03:37 AM #12Originally Posted by 50%Natural
Otherwise, how could a substance like deca produce marked anabolic effects without much in the way of androgenic side effects?
Or maybe there is one receptor (AR) which behaves differently whether DHT or Test binds to it...
****it, I wish there was a good available text that covered these things without requiring 2 semesters of biochem and endocrinology.
Last edited by MMC78; 08-07-2004 at 03:42 AM.
08-07-2004, 03:48 AM #13Originally Posted by MMC78
08-07-2004, 03:49 AM #14Originally Posted by MMC78
"Once a molecule of AAS is bound to the AR, the receptor now travels to the nucleus of the cell, and forms a dimer (pair) with another activated AR. The dimer then binds to certain parts of the DNA, and certain genes then start producing more mRNA. This is a way for the body to selectively activate only certain genes. In this case, only those genes associated with androgens are activated, or have their activity increased.
mRNA is different for each gene, and carries the information the cell needs to make specific proteins. Myosin and actin, which are major components of muscle, are examples of proteins, and these are made, ultimately, as a result of mRNA production from the genes for those proteins.
At last: muscle protein, our goal. The molecule of AAS ultimately causes the muscle cell to make more of certain proteins, helping the user to get bigger. (There were steps needed to get from the mRNA to the protein, but we will skip them.)"
08-07-2004, 04:06 AM #15Originally Posted by einstein1905
In other words, Deca increases protein synthesis, but what about androgens makes the resultant muscle become hard as opposed to soft.
08-07-2004, 04:18 AM #16Originally Posted by BeefCakeStew
08-07-2004, 05:23 AM #17Originally Posted by einstein1905
08-07-2004, 07:17 AM #18Associate Member
Originally Posted by einstein1905
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very interesting so far.
08-07-2004, 01:42 PM #19
My first cycle was a Deca only cycle. I was in worst shape after than when I started, and what I mean by that is my workouts suffered. I was less athletic than when I started.Personally I dont think the sex drive issue is the main issue here. Whats the point of taking the wrong mixture of steroids that creates a very anabolic enviroment but you have no androgens to actually give you the strength and energy to needed to push out a workout that will create growth.
08-07-2004, 05:34 PM #20
ok so should I stop right now then?
I really need a cycle but not if I am worse off after the fact. I have been training natural for the last two years in an attempt to concentrate and my health and losing size the whole **** time. It has taken two years but I have lost almost all of what I gained from the few cycles I did. Which amounted to about 30 pounds. all I have read untill I came here made it seem like Deca was about the easiest on the body easy on the hair, prostate etc...
08-07-2004, 05:40 PM #21Originally Posted by justaname
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