Var only.... cant wait!!

**james21** · 12-15-2004, 10:58 AM

Good deal, on the strength! Fast recovery is always a plus.. any added vascularity? What kind of creatine are you using ?

Has anyone tried var only with creatine ethyl ester? Any differences ?

**HeavyHitter** · 12-15-2004, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by james21

Good deal, on the strength! Fast recovery is always a plus.. any added vascularity? What kind of creatine are you using ?

Has anyone tried var only with creatine ethyl ester? Any differences ?

I didnt want to mention any vascularity yet b/c i wasnt sure.... (sometimes the mind plays tricks on ya) but i bet by next week i will be seeing noticeable changes.... i use regular creatine monohydrate. not sure the difference but it probably has to do with how fast it is absorbed in your system.

**GrantC5** · 12-15-2004, 12:37 PM

Assholes like GrantC5 ruin threads. He's a 160lb keyboard warrior. Nut up or shut up bitch! Post some pics little girl.

Reply: I will post some pics so you have some goal to try and reach.

Sorry HH. He was asking for it. Quote: MBHustla

Reply: You really got me on that one.................(falling asleep)

Back to the important stuff, HH I would definately dump the creatine IMO I tried it and I think it hurt more than anything. Also I had a different effect when I took the last tab of Var for the day about 3 hours before I worked out. What product are you using? One other thing at higher doses as I mentioned before actually made strength go down with some of my friends. The reason is the pump was so extreme they could not lift after 2 or 3 reps.

**LimitsAreNothing** · 12-15-2004, 12:38 PM

some people get really sensitive when the big bad word "ANAVAR " is mentioned. lol

**RW3333** · 12-15-2004, 12:41 PM

this is all interesting, im going to doing a var only cycle, i will start to post my pics every week im on it from the begining to the end so we can see exactly what it can do. and to Grant im curious as to what the difference was at 20 mg to 30 mg more specifically as well as your body weight.

**GrantC5** · 12-15-2004, 12:57 PM

I'm right at 200 lbs now with 9.5% bodyfat as of 12/7/04. I am starting to think that its timing more than anything. I was taking 20mg early and working out later and it was just a even pump and a little above normal strength. When I went to 30mg recently and took the last one about 3 hours before I worked out it was very noticable difference in strength and pump. I have gained about 6lbs of very lean muscle in about 22 days which doesn't seem like alot but its quality over quantity.

I am 5'9.5, 200 lbs 9.5% bodyfat. My bench is 405, deadlifting 455, Squating 365 (knee is acting up) I can hammer curl 110's with a decent movement only swinging slightly. Pretty strong all around. I would stay on this all year if I could without any damage. My arms are right at 18.5" being very lean that is pretty decent. I will post some pictures so you can see where I started and where I am at. I have to find some that don't show my home background or take some new ones. I will make it a point to get some as quick as is possible. MBH why don't you post some pix so you can show everyone how much better your build is??????????

**RW3333** · 12-15-2004, 01:04 PM

pretty impressive bro! i c tho so you took them at different times probbaly because the var has a short half life you had those differences. thanks alot for the great feedback grant, btw i happen to like your name. i know know what i would do if it werent for people with real good first hand experience and knowledge, thanks alot guys.

**TheBrent** · 12-18-2004, 04:38 AM

im interested to see what happens HH, i was thinking about a var only cycle. keep us posted!

**diesel21** · 12-21-2004, 01:02 PM

nice post, u guys are funny... so the guys that compete at 155-160 @ 3% bodyfat are small pussies, yeah ok... lets see your bodyfat %... anyone can be a big fat juice monster... but its only worth it when ur body fat is low... var does work.. take it the right way.. don't listen to people, do ur own thing,,, get results... then tell them var sux and keep it your secret!

***BajanBastard*** · 12-21-2004, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by diesel21

nice post, u guys are funny... so the guys that compete at 155-160 @ 3% bodyfat are small pussies, yeah ok... lets see your bodyfat %... anyone can be a big fat juice monster... but its only worth it when ur body fat is low... var does work.. take it the right way.. don't listen to people, do ur own thing,,, get results... then tell them var sux and keep it your secret!

Ummmm I don't know if you noticed but we are all friends poking fun it each other. No one is knocking HH for his "girlie" cycle.

**Anhydro78** · 12-21-2004, 01:35 PM

Originally Posted by MBaraso

Var's only is a great cycle for women...

You beat me to it!!!LOL I was gonna tell him he got mixed up and wondered into the female cycle section! That was a great first reply!!! LOL

**HeavyHitter** · 12-21-2004, 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by diesel21

nice post, u guys are funny... so the guys that compete at 155-160 @ 3% bodyfat are small pussies, yeah ok... lets see your bodyfat %... anyone can be a big fat juice monster... but its only worth it when ur body fat is low... var does work.. take it the right way.. don't listen to people, do ur own thing,,, get results... then tell them var sux and keep it your secret!

HAHAHA I like that bro!!

Vasculinity up (noticable changes in my shoulders and arms), strength up (nothing crazy tho)! and muscle stamina way up(i can hit a set 10 secs after my last, and at the end of my lifts I feel just as strong as when i first started). Maybe its in my head but Im feeling extremely energized during my lifts. I will admit, my arms workout, gave me some problems w/ my pumps, but that was only once (it was a crazy workout as well)

no muscle mass noticed.... or strength but its comin baby i feel it. Ohh an my apetite has increased alot too!!

**kubano28** · 12-21-2004, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

lol!! Im takin about 6-8 months off until my next cycle. I am doing this imbetween....

i think var is got good reputation,but u are talking about 6-8 month from next cycle,orals like var might mess with ur stomach also with u liver and kidneys if u are going to take them for that much amount and for so long periods of time,if u are using liquid type of var then that 's a different story,make sure u have plenty of tribulus on hand,good luck

**Anhydro78** · 12-21-2004, 02:38 PM

I was just messin with ya!! Up above. What week are you into??? ANd are you having any problems with decreased energy?? That would be my only concern with an Anavar only cycle.

**HeavyHitter** · 12-21-2004, 02:55 PM

Originally Posted by kubano28

i think var is got good reputation,but u are talking about 6-8 month from next cycle,orals like var might mess with ur stomach also with u liver and kidneys if u are going to take them for that much amount and for so long periods of time,if u are using injectable type of var then that 's a different story,make sure u have plenty of tribulus on hand,good luck

I didnt know they had injectable var.... (i dont think so bro) but var is the lightest 17aa roid out there so im not to worried about my liver but my stomache has been giving me some problems... nothing seroius tho!! basically lil constipation, and ive been more gassy lately... but that also might have been due to my diet!! I have been loading up on trib and avina sativa also.

Anhydro: dont sweat it bro, I know its a girlie roid so It dont bother me!! These guys actually have me fallin off my chair sometimes from laughin so hard.... but to help you out-- energy decrease has not been a problem at all!!

**Anhydro78** · 12-21-2004, 03:06 PM

I was laughing my azz off as well when I read that!! Any where we can get a jab or poke in.

**kubano28** · 12-21-2004, 03:16 PM

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

I didnt know they had injectable var.... (i dont think so bro) but var is the lightest 17aa roid out there so im not to worried about my liver but my stomache has been giving me some problems... nothing seroius tho!! basically lil constipation, and ive been more gassy lately... but that also might have been due to my diet!! I have been loading up on trib and avina sativa also.

Anhydro: dont sweat it bro, I know its a girlie roid so It dont bother me!! These guys actually have me fallin off my chair sometimes from laughin so hard.... but to help you out-- energy decrease has not been a problem at all!!

i meant liquid stuff ,
Oral suspension with orange flavoring.
Anavar (oxandrolone)............................20mg/mL............30mL........$

**HeavyHitter** · 12-22-2004, 08:47 AM

Originally Posted by kubano28

i meant liquid stuff ,
Oral suspension with orange flavoring.
Anavar (oxandrolone)............................20mg/mL............30mL........$

ohh true.... i had liquid var my last cycle. That **** was rough on the throat!! Im luvin the results much better from the powder.... (although i have doubled my dosage.... hehehe)

**m16a2** · 12-22-2004, 02:53 PM

I've used var only and noticed strength gains, but stopped because pain while running. Then i used it at the end of my eq/test cycle and it was amazing... i felt the strength rising until the day i stopped with the var at 40-60mg ed. I do think that you will see results, nice strength gains, but i'd rather stack it considering the price.

**HeavyHitter** · 12-22-2004, 03:22 PM

Originally Posted by rampage76

I've used var only and noticed strength gains, but stopped because pain while running. Then i used it at the end of my eq/test cycle and it was amazing... i felt the strength rising until the day i stopped with the var at 40-60mg ed. I do think that you will see results, nice strength gains, but i'd rather stack it considering the price.

hell yeah, i believe it should be stacked too!! but i wanted to do something light on my off period, and i had extra.... (technically then it wouldnt be an off period but.... shutup) lol

**m16a2** · 12-22-2004, 08:09 PM

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

hell yeah, i believe it should be stacked too!! but i wanted to do something light on my off period, and i had extra.... (technically then it wouldnt be an off period but.... shutup) lol

I think that's a bad idea. Var isn't something to do off cycle since it does suppress your HPTA while it does have small sides. In fact, the convention is that u should use clomid after a var cycle... that leads me to think that using it as an 'off cycle' or 'bridge' drug, is a bad idea. Give your body time to recover from cycle. IGF-1 is a good alternative imo, that doesn't affect ur nat. test levels in any way.

**bignatt** · 12-22-2004, 11:32 PM

This is an article from Muscular Development from the Building The Perfect Beast Column

Q: In your books Chemical Muscle Enhancement and building the perfect beast you say anavar doesn't negativley effect the HPTA i heard about a study that proves it does in olnly a few days is this something you disagree with?

A: Hmmm, so you feel that oxandrolone (anavar) is inhibitive to the HPTA itself? interesting. Or may it may be a matter of matter of not understating what the HPTA refers to.

Why would anyone care if the HPTA did anything?
The HPTA is the group of glands that directly regulates the amount of androgens and sperm the male produce The hypothalamus secretes GnRH When GnRH meets up with the pituirtary gland it tells it to release LH and FSH Then LH and FSH act as chemical messengers that tell the testes to produce androgens and sperm if we do not have androgens or sperm we do not have muscle or sex

What directly regulates the hpta?
For the most part we are aware that the HPTA is regulated to the greatest extent by estrogen levels in the bodys blood circulatory system and we know most anabolic androgenic steroids aromatize to estrogens to some degree or have some estrogenic nature themselves thus we use the specific degree of aromatization and the prime deciding factor in regard to HPTA supressing potential for any AAS in short more estrogen means less natural testosterone and sperm production
Oxandrolone does not aromatize to estrogens and is therefore not directly inhibitive or suppresive to HPTA function I have monitored many hrt recipients who only used oxandrolone for prolonged periods with few exceptions these individuals maintained 60% or more normal HPTA activity since weekly LH and FSH fluctuations can sometimes be 50% +or- normal for any individual this is not a true sign of direct HPTA suppresion these individuals also have lower than normal estrogen levels due to no accumalative estrogen from aromatization with post oxandrolone use the return of normal LH and FSH is fairly quick
LH levels decrease with non aromatizing AAS due to increased neuronet activity this is a common effect of dht and its derivatives such as oxandrolone this is not HPTA suppresion due to a true negative feedback loop but rather neuronet overload in short the HPTA stands for Hypothalamus Pituitary Testes Axis. Not to be a smart ass but there is no N for neuro-net in HPTA

something i posted a while back might be useful in this thread

**nordicpower** · 12-23-2004, 12:09 AM

heavy, i would go with it. Isnt much else other than the trib and a.s. , let us know how the cycle works out, i have been wanting to try that myself. enjoy

**HeavyHitter** · 12-23-2004, 08:54 AM

Originally Posted by rampage76

I think that's a bad idea. Var isn't something to do off cycle since it does suppress your HPTA while it does have small sides. In fact, the convention is that u should use clomid after a var cycle... that leads me to think that using it as an 'off cycle' or 'bridge' drug, is a bad idea. Give your body time to recover from cycle. IGF-1 is a good alternative imo, that doesn't affect ur nat. test levels in any way.

Lot of people have mixed thoughts about that.... that is why Im stacking trib and avina sativa with it.... Im almost done w/ two weeks and i feel i might be even hornier(sp) then before.... but ya never know....

great post bignatt!!

**GrantC5** · 12-23-2004, 11:49 AM

I took Tongkat Ali with mine for 6 weeks and did not have a single problem what so ever. I personally think that is B.S. , in my case I know it is. I would take VAR for a longer period of time if I had some right now and wouldn't worry about suppression at all.

**m16a2** · 12-23-2004, 02:24 PM

Recovery is vital, I wouldn't use any anabolics while trying to let to my nat. test levels normalize.

**HeavyHitter** · 12-30-2004, 10:42 AM

Originally Posted by GrantC5

I took Tongkat Ali with mine for 6 weeks and did not have a single problem what so ever. I personally think that is B.S. , in my case I know it is. I would take VAR for a longer period of time if I had some right now and wouldn't worry about suppression at all.

I have only done 3 weeks (give or take couple of days, sorry dont remember) and Im getting greaat results!! I look great too (for the ladies

) The best part about it tho, is that my sex drive is higher then before

I am the worst with limp dick and I havent felt a thing (yet) The trib and a.s. must be workin baby!! knock on wood!! Im gonna go tanning a couple of times and then post some pics!!!

HH