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    Exclamation No Test Cycle

    For my next cycle I'm going to run EQ DECA and VAR... it is intended to help my joints out mostly and put some much needed size back on.... but I'm only going to run 400mg/EQ and 300mg/ Deca or less... I mean... I can take as much as I want... but I think the lower dosage would be best for me as I don't want to take test this time around.... makes me bloated and angry... (here comes the flaming!) i see plenty of people that don't take test that get plenty of size.... if your going for the OPTIMAL growth from a cycle I would say Test is a must... but if your willing to trade in being an angry monster (which I am on Test) in for being a little bit lathargic and possibly having some trouble with the little guy.... then I say don't be a sheep motha f*cka! cuz almost everyone who bashes a testless cycle has never even done it... I'm thinking of taking some Trib while I'm on though just to try and help my natural production.. and when hasn't ephedra made me a supercharged beast in the gym... that and a lot of Cialis JUST IN CASE... wish me luck! (someone else out there should try this too! i know I'm not the only one with the brass tacks around here!)
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    Although I AGREE--Test does not belong in EVERY cycle, there are CERTAINLY much better non-test cycles than the one you have outlined...

    Why not outline your cycle the same way as you would a Test-based cycle:

    Base Compound:
    Increases Libido
    Increases Appetite
    Increases Protein metabolism
    *Oral-Turinabol
    We are going to use Oral Turinabol as a replacement for TEST--it is anabolic without being androgenic at all. It increases libido and appetite.
    *Primo- Muscle builder.
    *EQ- Appetite stimulator, vascularity and hardness enhancer, muscle builder, anti-catabolic.

    TBOL, 50mgs ED, Weeks 1-6
    Primo, 400mgs, Weeks 1-12
    EQ, 400mgs, Weeks 1-12

    Bon Appetite!

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    i am starting to believe anabolic man is The Mind....

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    good info bro but you missed the point of my cycle... it's for my joints... Deca drastically increases your Synovial fluids and collagen synthesis.. EQ even more effect on Collagen Synthesis.. and Anavar is said to be very good for you joints and strength gains... the only thing that interests me is the Turniabol??? do you have a link to a profile?? I know i need GH in there too but i don't have the money for it this go and DECA really does a lot for me...
    Primo is overpriced.. I'm already paying for VAR!


    Quote Originally Posted by Anabolic Man
    Although I AGREE--Test does not belong in EVERY cycle, there are CERTAINLY much better non-test cycles than the one you have outlined...

    Why not outline your cycle the same way as you would a Test-based cycle:

    Base Compound:
    Increases Libido
    Increases Appetite
    Increases Protein metabolism
    *Oral-Turinabol
    We are going to use Oral Turinabol as a replacement for TEST--it is anabolic without being androgenic at all. It increases libido and appetite.
    *Primo- Muscle builder.
    *EQ- Appetite stimulator, vascularity and hardness enhancer, muscle builder, anti-catabolic.

    TBOL, 50mgs ED, Weeks 1-6
    Primo, 400mgs, Weeks 1-12
    EQ, 400mgs, Weeks 1-12

    Bon Appetite!

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    Not quite for my goals... but good info for anyone wanting to do a no test cycle with muscle growth as your primary concern... good info!

    Quote Originally Posted by topvega
    i am starting to believe anabolic man is The Mind....

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    i would stick to eq and var. I ran deca by intself 6months ago and i was taking naps every day because i was so shut down. i can't imagine what would happen with eq and var added. had to add test 4wks in. if you must though clen is a good idea for a training boost. maybe try test 250mg per wk. low dose would counteract the sides from the other compounds

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    Quote Originally Posted by testosterona
    i would stick to eq and var. I ran deca by intself 6months ago and i was taking naps every day because i was so shut down. i can't imagine what would happen with eq and var added. had to add test 4wks in. if you must though clen is a good idea for a training boost. maybe try test 250mg per wk. low dose would counteract the sides from the other compounds
    yeah ive read 200mg/week is a good amount to keep you going normal... but I will start off dry with some trib and see how it goes... if i have to add the test I will... and ephedra and Clen will be in the mix...

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    according to hookers profile on deca even 100mgs will shut u down... but i guess everyone is different because some have said they used deca alone and were not shut down...

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    everyone is definetly different... and I think Deca may shut me down but not as hard or as fast at a low dosage... im considering running it lower like 100mg/week... but I'm not sure how much that will help although some say significantly... still working out the bugs ya know??

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    The cycle I outlined is in accordance with your goals.

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    you realize test isnt just for libido issues right??? little girls will be having more test than you'll have on this cycle

    and if you're gear is legit, you will be 100% shut down....you may think you're not, but you are.

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    The argument that test is neccessary for bodily function is utterly superfluous.

    He will make great gains on an EQ/Primo, TBOL/EQ/PRIMO cycle. AND SAFELY

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    And if he takes test(with no aromatase inhib) He will have the ESTROGEN levels of a GIRL as well......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anabolic Man
    The argument that test is neccessary for bodily function is utterly superfluous.

    He will make great gains on an EQ/Primo, TBOL/EQ/PRIMO cycle. AND SAFELY
    How will he prevent being shut down while on this cycle? ...and why does your avatar say testosterone if your not all about it?

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    Test of a little girl or not.. I can still grow! I'll try some trib though to see how that keeps me going... I'll have test on hand should i need it.... and how about that oral you mentioned anabolic man... Turinabol ... hmm... ill have to read about it but how will it effect my joints? (primo is a possibility.... maybe start off with the Deca EQ and then go to EQ and primo after 15 weeks or so.. not sure... gonna get creative bro... somebody has to do it.. (cuz these girls won't)

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    You really keep stressing the aromatase inhibitor.... I have nolva, letrozole so no need to worry... ill take it just because it keeps your bloat down while on... believe it or not boys i will have bloat from estrogen while on Deca ... even though its progestrin based...

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    i blow up like a balloon on deca . i look like a Cartman who works out. i'd get a little test on hand cause most likely your gonna need it. Your body isnt used to no test dude, trust me you'll feel like shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit. trib will help during pct but i don't know about keeping you going while on AAS

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dalton5
    How will he prevent being shut down while on this cycle? ...and why does your avatar say testosterone if your not all about it?
    NOTHING can prevent you from being SHUTDOWN ON cycle! TEST Shuts you down HARD, HOWEVER, TEST increases LIBIDO and SEXUAL function! SO it is useful on cycle if you plan on being sexually active.

    TBOL will INCREASE LIBIDO as well--thus, test is not neccessary, for this particular mild cycle.

    TEST is the KING of NATURAL hormones. Synthetic derivatives, however, confer the bodybuilder certain advantages.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 100%NATURAL-theGH
    You really keep stressing the aromatase inhibitor.... I have nolva, letrozole so no need to worry... ill take it just because it keeps your bloat down while on... believe it or not boys i will have bloat from estrogen while on Deca... even though its progestrin based...

    "progestrin" based estrogen?? haha......learn your compounds bro and what they are. deca DOES aromatize.....however roughly around 20% that of test. it will activate the progesterone receptors, again about 20% of actual progesterone itself....no steroid converts into progesterone.

    and saying "test makes me angry" how are you sure its the test?? maybe you're just a dickhead off steroids in the first place?!?!?!

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    I cant see doing EQ without some sort of Test, EQ shuts you down hard as hell!!, Kinda like the T-BOL Primo stack! Did T-bol alone and loved it!

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    what the hell is T-bol??? haha.. i need to get up to date really fast... I like to stick with the tried and true but this stuff sounds pretty good.... so lets see!

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    i want to see that data where tbol increases libido i have yet to read that

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    true dat

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anabolic Man
    NOTHING can prevent you from being SHUTDOWN ON cycle! TEST Shuts you down HARD, HOWEVER, TEST increases LIBIDO and SEXUAL function! SO it is useful on cycle if you plan on being sexually active.

    TBOL will INCREASE LIBIDO as well--thus, test is not neccessary, for this particular mild cycle.

    TEST is the KING of NATURAL hormones. Synthetic derivatives, however, confer the bodybuilder certain advantages.
    I relize this....but i would rather be shut down with a whole bunch of test flowing through me then none at all

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    Just use TBOL to increase libido and appetite. It will make RECOVERY easier which translates into a greater maintenance of gains post cycle. What you gain ON cycle means NOTHING--all that matters, is what you keep...

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    What is the point of this thread? To brag? Start an argument?

    I've had to delete/lock two of your other threads, so I am warning you to calm down w/your attitude. You've got some anger issues, and I'd try to address those. The title of your thread having "NOW WHAT??" in it, is provoking an argument, and I don't see a reason for that whatsoever. Couple that w/your post history, and I have to warn you to be on your best behavior. I am NOT the only moderator who has noticed this.

    Thank you for your cooperation!

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    looks at swole's biceps in his sig, You don't want him angered.

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    yes, another great cycle with var!!!!!!!...................sike!!!

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    LOL...

    I am not "angry", I just don't understand the point of this post. If he is telling people his cycle and asking for critiques, fine. However, from the title and the "here come the flames" types of writing in his posts, it seems as if he's desiring a fight to break out. That is not what this location is for.

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    Anabolic Man aka Ross, I thought test prop was your thing now??

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    Quote Originally Posted by SwoleCat
    LOL...

    I am not "angry", I just don't understand the point of this post. If he is telling people his cycle and asking for critiques, fine. However, from the title and the "here come the flames" types of writing in his posts, it seems as if he's desiring a fight to break out. That is not what this location is for.

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    Hey I get ya SC... and you've got me all wrong... This thread was to get some input which I did.. including the use of T-bol as a possible alternative to Testosterone even if that isn't totally founded just yet... it's a possibility.. and EVERYONE knows... if you even mention a no test cycle people are gonna flame you... and honestly I guess I went about saying it wrong.. I should have just said... if you have anything to say about needing Test then TAKE IT ELSE WHERE cuz I don't care.... and the now that was a little bit of a provocation but arguments (also known as debates) make people think really hard, research, and expand their knowledge or educate others. I'm sorry you dissaprove of me using this method in my threads and I'm not here to cause a problem by any means as I hardly consider anything that can be typed in a single thread that people can choose not to read to be harmful. I will make sure my threads are more politically correct in the future so that sensitive readers don't suffer any emotional or mental distress. I appreciate you refraining from verbal abuse or insults this time around and would even appreciate it if you chose to delete my thread in the lab that you referred to me as a moron in, but that is totally up to you. Thank you for the direction and guidance and I fully intend to be a cooperative and docile member (Ready and willing to be taught; teachable.
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    Thanks, 100%NATURAL

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    How does it taste 100%Natural???


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    haha.. if you just read that and that's what you got out of it... you must have an IQ of 50 my friend... anyways.. your provoking a fight so... behave yourself.

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    welcome back ross

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    who is ross?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 100%NATURAL-theGH
    who is ross?
    Just some 16 year old kid who's been banned from every steroid board on the net atleast a couple of times :-)

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    I appreciate your offering here, thank you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 100%NATURAL-theGH
    Hey I get ya SC... and you've got me all wrong... This thread was to get some input which I did.. including the use of T-bol as a possible alternative to Testosterone even if that isn't totally founded just yet... it's a possibility.. and EVERYONE knows... if you even mention a no test cycle people are gonna flame you... and honestly I guess I went about saying it wrong.. I should have just said... if you have anything to say about needing Test then TAKE IT ELSE WHERE cuz I don't care.... and the now that was a little bit of a provocation but arguments (also known as debates) make people think really hard, research, and expand their knowledge or educate others. I'm sorry you dissaprove of me using this method in my threads and I'm not here to cause a problem by any means as I hardly consider anything that can be typed in a single thread that people can choose not to read to be harmful. I will make sure my threads are more politically correct in the future so that sensitive readers don't suffer any emotional or mental distress. I appreciate you refraining from verbal abuse or insults this time around and would even appreciate it if you chose to delete my thread in the lab that you referred to me as a moron in, but that is totally up to you. Thank you for the direction and guidance and I fully intend to be a cooperative and docile member (Ready and willing to be taught; teachable.
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    Why does Ross get banned everywhere? The only thing I've ever seen him do is try to make arguments for non-test based cycles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CSK
    Why does Ross get banned everywhere? The only thing I've ever seen him do is try to make arguments for non-test based cycles.
    Because he's an obsessive compulsive idiot.

    He gets banned for certain offenses, then repeatedly signs up to spam the board. After you are banned for something, signing up again and again is against the rules and warrants another banning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by topvega
    i am starting to believe anabolic man is The Mind....
    How many times will Ross be banned??? Geeze

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