Thread: HCG.. is this okay? urgent
09-15-2005, 04:35 PM #1
HCG.. is this okay? urgent
I've been lookin but there really isn't all that much info on HCG .. now i'm ordering gear soon, and by soon i mean tomorrow. I can get HCG but can't keep it cool. it comes in 2,000 IU vials... my question is can i shoot 2,000 IUs once every 6days about 3 weeks before pct starts? so basicly....
test e 1-13
hcg 12-15 (3 shots)
will this help me get natural test up a bit before pct and help me keep gains? I really just want it for keeping gains. and remember ordering tomorrow so i need to know ASAP
09-15-2005, 05:07 PM #2
09-15-2005, 05:25 PM #3
well yea i knew all that... its coming from a UGL my main question is would that dosage be okay? and thank you for the quick answer
09-15-2005, 05:48 PM #4
dose is ok but make it every 5th day
09-15-2005, 06:07 PM #5
dose is NOT OK. here is how you should run it:
14days out from pct start shootin 500ius ED stopping after 10 days this should make it so that it clears your system in perfect time for pct.
09-15-2005, 06:15 PM #6
ahh.. i dont know about 500iu EVERY day! i'd say 500iu twice a week, on mondays and thurdays.
09-15-2005, 06:16 PM #7Originally Posted by RUballs0514
09-15-2005, 06:18 PM #8
09-15-2005, 06:19 PM #9
09-15-2005, 06:20 PM #10Originally Posted by RUballs0514
HCG kicks in twice, the 1st time is few hrs after inj. and the 2nd time which is the highest peak one at the 4th day approx.
09-15-2005, 06:22 PM #11
Alright so you guys think that 3 shots of 2,000 IU's every 5th day starting a week before my last shot till right before i start pct is good, Remember my cycle isn't anything huge so i really don't need it throughout my cycle nor do i feel like spendin the money for it... i just wanna use it to jump start my body into producing natural test at the end of my cycle.
09-15-2005, 06:22 PM #12
i mean i'll be taking 1 shot every 5 days and i'll do this 3 times...
09-15-2005, 06:23 PM #13
[QUOTE=smokethedays]i never heared of that way, as far as i know, u need to run HCG @ minimum dose of 1500 IU every 4th or 5th day.
HCG kicks in twice, the 1st time is few hrs after inj. and the 2nd time which is the highest peak one at the 4th day approx.[/QUOTE]
this is why a more consistent release would be more beneficial. 500ius might be a little much for his first time but anywhere from the 300-500ius range is safe.
09-15-2005, 06:24 PM #14
09-15-2005, 06:25 PM #15
I do hcg almost all year round, during cycle 500 iu's every 5 days is fine. for pct i start 1 week after last Test injection @ 1000 iu's EOD along with normal pct routine, clomid. Off cycle i do 500 iu's every week.
09-15-2005, 06:27 PM #16Originally Posted by big_C
09-15-2005, 06:29 PM #17Originally Posted by RUballs0514
09-15-2005, 06:42 PM #18Originally Posted by big_C
09-15-2005, 07:14 PM #19
You guys are all giving really good information, however i think your kinda missing the point of what i'm trying to say... the vials come in 2000 IU's, I can not keep them cold after mixin so it will go bad if i let it sit.. so after i mix it i have to take it at once. So what i really need to know is if i can do a 2000 IU shot every 5 days for 15 days safely.
09-15-2005, 07:20 PM #20
I've read that a 6000 IU shot will raise test levels for 6 days.. so i don't really see how a 2000 IU shot would give me many problems if takin every 5 days... it says that there might be a chance of gyno along side high doses, so i was thinking i'll run my left over letro along with the HCG , that is of course if you guys aprove with my 2000IU shot once every 5 days for 15 days.
also i'm 5'11" and i plan on being around 190 at the time i need to take my hcg shots if that helps you decide if i'll be cool
09-15-2005, 07:29 PM #21
Why can you not refridgerate it? My opinion and I use it all the time is you should take it every 3rd or 4th day at 500ius each time or two days straight every week at 500 iu's each day. And start earlier than the last 3 weeks. That deca is going to shut you down fairly hard I imagine anyway.
09-15-2005, 07:38 PM #22
i wouldn't waste my time if you can't refridgerate it. jmo
09-15-2005, 07:46 PM #23
Find a way to hide it in the fridge, in the bottom tape a piece of cardoard in there in and stick the hcg amp in there, sorry your not getting a straight answer....i run hcg every 3-4 days @250 - 300 iu...2000 at one time is alot, and i wouldnt do it, something about damaging the leydig cells...just be careful
THIS IS FROM S"OLOGY SWALE is a doc over there,hrt specialist i think.pct protocol
been hanging out here a bit lately, I've been getting quite a few emails from guys wanting individualized advice on their cycles. In the first place, I cannot design cycles, nor do I prescribe steroids (just ancillary medications). That would be a violation of my Oath as a physician, and DEA law to boot. Also, obviously I cannot afford to give away free Consultations. So, I'll post my PCT Protocols here, for anyone who may choose to use them.
Also, I'm just running to catch a plane for Las Vegas, attending the American Academy of Anti-Aging Medicine International Conference. I guess they are supposed to publish an article I wrote on how to administer TRT for men. Wish me luck!
Here it is:
I advise my AAS patients to use small amounts of HCG (250IU to 500IU) two days each week, right from the beginning of the cycle. This serves to maintain testicular form and function. It makes more sense to me to keep the horse in the barn, so to speak, then to have to chase it across three counties later on. I am also a big fan of maintaining estrogen within physiological ranges. Both therapies have been shown to hasten recovery.
Any more than 500IU of HCG per day causes too much aromatase activity. Some feel aromatase is actually toxic to the Leydig cells of the testes. You are then inducing primary hypogonadism (which is permanent) while treating steroid -induced secondary (hypogonadotrophic) hypogonadism (which is temporary--hopefully).
If 250IU or 500IU on two days each week isn’t enough to stave off testicular atrophy, then I recommend using it more days each week (as opposed to taking larger doses). In fact, I wouldn’t mind having a guy use 250IU per day ALL THROUGH the cycle. Those that have tell me they thus avoid that edgy, burned-out feeling they usually get. They also say they simply feel better each day. Subjective reports, to be sure, but they are hard not to appreciate. Especially when HCG is so inexpensive.
The testes are then ready, willing and able to again produce testosterone at the end of the cycle. LH levels rise fairly rapidly, but endogenous testosterone production is limited by lack of use. I also want to make sure a SERM, such as Clomid or Nolvadex , is at effective serum dosage (around 100mg QD for Clomid, 20-40mg QD for Nolvadex) when serum androgen levels drop to a concentration roughly equal to 200mg of testosterone per week. That is when androgenic inhibition at the HP no longer dominates over estrogenic antagonism with respect to inducing LH production. Of course, if the fellow has been doing Clomid or Nolvadex all along the way (and I now prefer Nolvadex over Clomid, due to the possibility of negative sides from the Clomid), he is all set to simply continue it at the end (no need to switch from one to the other). BTW, I see no evidence of any benefit in using BOTH SERM’s at the same time. I used to think a couple of weeks of the SERM was enough; now I like to see an entire month after the last shot of AAS (and migration of long to short esters as the cycle matures). Tapering the SERM is probably a good idea during the last week, as well.
I want my patients to stop taking HCG within a week after the end of the cycle. The testosterone production it induces will further inhibit recovery, as will using Androgel , or any other testosterone preparation, while in recovery. There is no escaping this, as there is no such thing as a “bridge”. Just because you are not inhibiting the HPTA for the entire 24 hours does not mean you are not suppressing it at all. IOW, you can’t “fool” the body—it is smarter than you are.
I like arimidex during the cycle (in fact, consider use of an AI while taking aromatisables a necessity) but it ABSOLUTELY should not be used post cycle (even though it has been shown to increase LH production) because the risk of driving estrogen too low, and therefore further damaging an already compromised Lipid Profile, is too great (this also drives libido back into the ground—and we don’t want that, do we?).
All this is meant to get my guys through recovery as fast as possible (the real goal, yes?). So far, all of them who have tried it have reported they are recovering faster than when they have tried other protocols.
ANY ADVICE I MAY GIVE IN NO WAY SUBSTITUTES FOR A PROPER EVALUATION BY YOUR PHYSICIAN; NOR DOES IT CONSTITUTE DR/PT RELATIONSHIP, OR LIABILITY, IN ANY WAY .
09-15-2005, 08:52 PM #24Originally Posted by big_C
09-15-2005, 09:51 PM #25
G-13 thanks for posting that! I go by that as well and have had great results.
09-15-2005, 09:59 PM #26Originally Posted by mark956101957
09-16-2005, 12:38 AM #27Originally Posted by G-13
09-16-2005, 04:20 PM #28
well i'm ordering tomorrow... got pushed back a day.. and i looked in my frig and there is the best spot ever for it!!! were the light is in the frig there is a little plastic cover that pops off, it'll fit like a charm there
09-16-2005, 04:21 PM #29
so i'm gonna do 2 weeks of it at 500mcgs a shot every 4 days... right before pct Thanks for all your help.. i freakin love this place
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