Thread: Turanabol or Anavar w/out test
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12-24-2005, 11:02 PM #1
Turanabol or Anavar w/out test
Yes, I am planning on doing a 4-6 week T-Bol or Anavar only cycle without test. Yes without test. Everybody tells me to add test as a base but I am NOT going to and this is why. I have read of it causing people to have back hair, increased body hair, increase growth rate of hair and I am not going to deal with that. I already have a horrible problem with body hair that I treat with laser, and that is spendy and only temporary. Additionally, I have already had natural gyno and I need something mild that I know will not aromatize. So at any rate, I just have a few questions..
1) I want to do two cycles one after another. What I mean by that is going 5 weeks T-Bol, then PCT for 2-3 weeks, 2 off and then do another cycle either with the same compound or alternating first cycle with Turanabol and 2nd with Anavar. Is this a good idea or would my liver not be fully recovered yet? Or is this too soon to start up again?
2) I want to run Nolvadex the whole time, and during PCT afterwards. Most people say to just run this anti-E in PCT, but wouldn't it be helpful to use during my cycle for an extra precaution? Does this hinder gains by taking it during the cycle? Better safe than sorry for me regarding Gyno.
3) What else do you guys recommend for PCT? I want to stay clear of clomid due to it's side effects. Is HCG necessary or any others or should I just stick with straight Nolvadex?
4) I would like to try anavar but it is expensive. What is a good dose I can only afford 1000 mg, so about 30 mg a day is all I would be able to take for about 4.5 weeks. Would that be an effective dose or would I likely require more to see some real results?
Since I have not done AAS, I want to use a mild steroid and see how I react. I realize I may compromise alot of possible gains due to a mild first cycle, but I am willing to live with that. If I don't get any gyno, and everything goes well then I may, and only maybe I would try test next winter.
Proposed Cycle
weeks 1-4 TBOL 50 mg/20 mg Nolva ED (Milk Thistle, Liv52, Tylers for liver)
weeks 4-6 PCT Nolva 20 mg
week 6-7 NOTHING
weeks 7-11 TBOL 50 MG or ANAVAR 30 MG/20 mg Nolva (Milk Thistle etc)
weeks 11-14 PCT Nolva 20 mg
Thanks guys! Happy Holidays!
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12-24-2005, 11:06 PM #2
maybe you should just stay away from gear all together
unless you are looking for very little gains
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12-24-2005, 11:07 PM #3
1)no you can go longer. 2-3 bridge isnt gonna help. go 10. use one or the other for the whole cycle.
2)its unlikely these drugs will cause gyno and require any nolva, or PCT for that matter. if for some reason you get gyno, use nolva but will reduce gains.
3)you likely wont need any PCT. you wont be badly suppressed. recover naturally youll be fine.
4)if your that limited to funds you may as well not cycle.
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12-24-2005, 11:16 PM #4VET Retired
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I would go for it. A T-bol var combo with a good high cal clean diet should produce some nice lean gains. If your financial situation does not allow run T-bol alone for 6 weeks. Follow up with PCT using a drug like nolvadex .
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12-24-2005, 11:37 PM #5maybe you should just stay away from gear all together
unless you are looking for very little gains
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12-24-2005, 11:41 PM #6Originally Posted by Jayhawk21
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12-25-2005, 12:27 AM #7Junior Member
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Sounds like a nice cycle. Keep us updated on whats going on.
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12-25-2005, 01:33 AM #8Originally Posted by Drummerboy
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12-25-2005, 01:44 AM #9Anabolic Member
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Originally Posted by testosterona
t-bol 50 mgs ed 1-6/8
var 50-80 mgs ed 1-6/8
nice cycle!
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12-25-2005, 05:38 AM #10
ALWAYS do pct
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12-25-2005, 05:53 AM #11Originally Posted by JamesC
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12-25-2005, 09:10 AM #12Anabolic Member
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Originally Posted by Rocky IV
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12-25-2005, 11:16 AM #13
Id do a pct with tongkat ali, tribulus and adex and maybe add 10mg of nolva ed also.
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12-25-2005, 12:21 PM #14VET Retired
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PCT will still be needed. All androgens suppess natural testosterone production to some degree.
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12-25-2005, 12:45 PM #15Originally Posted by JamesC
If you don't know how to do pct properly, then you are not ready for a cycle.Last edited by cfiler; 12-25-2005 at 12:48 PM.
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12-25-2005, 07:02 PM #16Member
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Originally Posted by vitor
I would go Tbol 60mg ED for 8 - 10 weeks. Followed up with 3 weeks PCT (nolva: 40,20,20)
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12-25-2005, 11:38 PM #17I would go Tbol 60mg ED for 8 - 10 weeks
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12-26-2005, 12:27 AM #18Member
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You and I must be reading totally different threads. The ones ive seen dont start really seeing change until almost two weeks. From there its a nice gradual climb up
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12-26-2005, 03:39 AM #19Anabolic Member
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Originally Posted by Milky87
Tribulis/tongkat ali would be good, but recovery in this cycle will be no real problem anyway.
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12-28-2005, 02:08 AM #20
man, you would think that no one ever rebounds naturally from a light cycle. I know for a fact people can, so why take more drugs unless absolutely necessary. IMO anyway.
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12-28-2005, 07:59 AM #21Member
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While he might rebound naturally, it might not be as quickly as wiht tamoxifen , meaning he could lose a greater amount of muscle
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12-28-2005, 08:25 AM #22
wow.. the opinions are very heated here about this..
The best answer is for you to
run var 40mg ed for 4 weeks then run no pct... wait 4 weeks as you had suggested..
then run the tbol and then run the pct..
then you will be the expert in this decussion....
for many of us (myself included) have run var only cycles.. but i have always run pct..
so here is a chance for you to do a journal.. and tell us how it comes out..don't forget to get blood work done before the cycle begins.. at the end.. and then when you start the 2nd.. then at the end and then at the end of pct..
good luck..
you will not gain 20 lbs..
you can affor var if you are doing laser for hair..
so good luck.The answer to your every question
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12-28-2005, 08:47 AM #23
Not doing PCT is stupid.
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12-28-2005, 02:07 PM #24
(This was taken from MY ORIGINAL THREAD: "Turinabol + ANAVAR = ULTIMATE STACK!") FYI--I made GREAT GAINS!
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I have run Oral-Turinabol by ITSELF for a duration of 7 weeks at 40-60mgs and gained almost 15lbs, with a mild but appreciable strength increase, and INSANE vascularity--even moreso than var--which I have also run solo. I am currently STACKING the TWO.....
TBOL increases LIBIDO and APPETITIE, whereas VAR DECREASES BOTH. Ergo, TBOL dose is Maintained higher than the VAR dose throughout the cycle to counteract these sides.
I am currently running a LOW dose TBOL/VAR STACK: I will NOT be increasing calories until week 4, as this is not a SUPER BULK. I am currrently 200lbs, 9% BF, and I want to be at 200-205, 5%BF. Looking to get into semi-contest shape, although i will not be competeing.
The liver should function healthily, as my total 17AA intake doesn't ever exceed 90mgs ED--and that is at its HIGHEST POINT. Of ocurse, use liver protectants like Liv52 and Milk thristle.
Week1: VAR 20mgs/TBOL 30mgs ***Extremely LOW dose to ASSESS contraindications***
Week2: VAR 30mgs/TBOL 40mgs *VAR Never EXCEEDS 30mgs, due to it's negative affect on LIBIDO.
Week3: VAR 30mgs/TBOL 50mgs
Week4: VAR 30mgs/TBOL 60mgs
Week5: VAR 30mgs/TBOL 60mgs
Week6: VAR 30mgs/TBOL 50mgs
Week7: VAR 30mgs
Week8: VAR 30mgs
I am currently in day 11.
The purpose of VAR in this cycle is strictly for Strength, hardness, and vascularity. Any contribution that VAR makes to my LBM gains will be accepted, but not expected. TBOL is the BASE of the stack. It increases Libido, Appetite, mood, and FREE test levels. (kind of like taking an oral form of test that doesn't aromatize or alpha-5 reduce!) It is also teh ANABOLIC component--it is the muscle builder. However, I also expect it to produce remarkable synergy with the VAR, producing a VERY dense, lean, shredded look.
I ONLY USE Tribestan Tribulus Terrestris extract (or TRIBEX) and A POTENT Eurycoma Longfolia(Tongkat ALi) Extract for PCT and I have reovered SWIFTLY BOTH times. These are both NON-Aromatizing steroids , one reason why HPTA function can be mostly maintained even during
cycle.
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12-28-2005, 02:43 PM #25
Nice informative post Rossosterone, very helpful thankyou.
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12-28-2005, 09:10 PM #26
Tee hee, does ross ever give up?? As usual though it is interesting stuff he posted, shame hes a buttplug!
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12-29-2005, 08:29 PM #27Member
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What did Ross do to get him black-listed?
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