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01-12-2006, 12:43 AM #1Associate Member
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Spot Injections With Prop = Growth
Hey guys..I wanted to ask if injecting test prop in the shoulder (side deltoid) would make the deltoid grow ? The reason is my side delts have grown crazy just with 2 weeks of using prop.Like the actuall muscles are showing when I do a most musculur flex. Any comments would be great
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01-12-2006, 12:45 AM #2
not that im aware of. (unless what your injecting is that synthal oil stuff, and are not aware of it)
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01-12-2006, 12:49 AM #3VET
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Originally Posted by ultimate_beef
prop is a short chain fatty acid that can cause local irritation, which might simulate growth.
also you might see some "pocket encapsulation", similar to synthol (this is not a good thing).
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01-12-2006, 12:49 AM #4Associate Member
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no, theres no way synthal oil is in this stuff. The prop i have is from a very good company
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01-12-2006, 01:09 AM #5Originally Posted by ultimate_beef
He said SIMILAR to
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01-12-2006, 01:19 AM #6Originally Posted by macrophage69alpha
Also,there are alot of synthol users out there who would argue against you.Synthol does work,and I believe some guys have documented success with it.They had xrays ect done to document this.
~Pinnacle~
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01-12-2006, 01:30 AM #7
synthol is good. many BBs mix a little in with each shot of juice for site growth
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01-12-2006, 07:20 AM #8Associate Member
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does synthol have something to hold its oil content in the msucles for a long period of time ?
because what if you just dilited nyour shots with more oil would that help localised growth or would it disiapate in afew days.
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01-12-2006, 11:10 AM #9Originally Posted by yom
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01-12-2006, 12:42 PM #10VET
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Originally Posted by Pinnacle
however most, if not all, of any "growth" is due to encapsulation and scarring. synthol is basically a cheap form of implants.
x-rays would not prove anything... and many people make claims, of supposed "documentation", that they actually cannot back up.
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01-12-2006, 01:40 PM #11
so do spot injections work for localised muscle growth, yes or no?
If so would 3cc's EOD in my shoulder result in growth using prop and tren A over a period of 6 weeks...
I would be doing it like this : 3cc's left shoulder Monday, 3cc's right shoulder Wednesday for 6 weeks...
My Biceps are my lacking body part do bicep injections hurt ?
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01-12-2006, 02:23 PM #12Junior Member
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Originally Posted by needbigguns
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01-12-2006, 02:28 PM #13VET
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no
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01-12-2006, 02:32 PM #14AR's Salad Tossing Connoisseur
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01-12-2006, 02:45 PM #15
I agree that the hormone itself wouldn't cause any localized growth.But I do believe oil will loosen the fascia allowing the muscle fiber to expand more,resulting in microscopic growth.Would it(growth) be noticeable in one cycle?I doubt you'd see much.Myself,and some others at the gym have tried this on lagging muscles(rear delts).It seems to have helped somewhat over time.But we never come off cycle.We just cruise,so our maintenance dose(test) was shot in that muscle week in,week out for months at a time,and even when we resumed a cycle again.
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01-12-2006, 02:54 PM #16Originally Posted by Pinnacle
ive tried localized injections in my bi's and they did get bigger even when i stopped injecting, i dont think it was the gear i think it was the oil volume what made them expand
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01-12-2006, 02:58 PM #17
I know Prop has minimal water retention. But the localized growth could be explained by water inflation.
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01-12-2006, 03:01 PM #18Associate Member
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Originally Posted by marcus300
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01-12-2006, 03:01 PM #19
localized swelling, not growth.
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01-12-2006, 03:05 PM #20Originally Posted by Pinnacle
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01-12-2006, 03:05 PM #21Originally Posted by BigGuns101
Don't disregard something you've never tried.
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01-12-2006, 03:07 PM #22Originally Posted by BigGuns101
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01-12-2006, 03:11 PM #23Originally Posted by BigGuns101
Let me ask you this what do you call the gains off of a cycle of Test, Decca, and D-bol (for example)?
DO you call it growth or swelling?? Doesnt matter what happens you have some form of growth, whether it was the muscle that actually grew or whether it was pumped with fluid. ITs still a form of growth.
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01-12-2006, 03:19 PM #24Originally Posted by pioneer
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01-12-2006, 03:25 PM #25Originally Posted by Pinnacle
I agree Pinn, but they are only contradicting their actions. Frequent and vigorous spot injections create scar tissue, which inturn turn into fat deposits.
But, on the other hand, I don't have any back up on this. But can they turn those "fat deposits" into muscle. Thus, inturn creating muscle growth?? What are yalls opinions on this?
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01-12-2006, 03:51 PM #26Originally Posted by pioneer
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01-12-2006, 03:57 PM #27Originally Posted by Juicy Sauce
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01-12-2006, 04:47 PM #28
im trying to find the literature on it. What do you think scar tissue is considered if it is not muscle?
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01-12-2006, 04:52 PM #29English Rudeboy
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Originally Posted by pioneer
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01-12-2006, 04:58 PM #30Originally Posted by NotSmall
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01-12-2006, 05:05 PM #31Originally Posted by pioneer
Nah, its not the scar tissue causing growth or making the muscle look bigger. Pinn said it right, the muscle fascia is stretched beyond its limit. This alone allows more muscle growth that could not occur before because the tight fascia held the muscle at the smaller size.
If you've read "Building the Perfect Beast" this is explained in detail. The book gives elaborate cycle info using some synthol type oil with aas injections to stretch the fascia. The initial swelling is temporary(and ugly as hell). When the oil dissapates(6 months according to book) the muscle shrinks but is primed for growth. It may even be bigger then before but more importantly the fascia is stretched, not scarred.
I believe (jmo) that when you swell up a muscle from typical aas injections you may stretch the fascia. My delts are also bigger then ever right now due to prop injections. I know its just swole, but they have not gotten bigger for a long time. Hopefully Ive stretched the fascia a bit and they will now grow bigger!
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01-12-2006, 05:14 PM #32
What Im talking about is when people start injecting their delts and say they are growing right away, thats swelling. Pinn I have shot delt for over four months at a time, they did grow but the same as everything else. What your talking about MICROSCOPIC, you would not notice that buy looking in the mirror. Im not saying your wrong, but what 90% of "growth" from injecting is swelling. JMO
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01-12-2006, 08:57 PM #33VET
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it is true that tearing or stretching the muscle fascia will allow for greater growth... there are better ways to do this than localized injections and synthol. (though agree that this is a possibility--- however the only permanent growth would be from scarring and encapsulation)
active release (and other more invasive tissue manipulation) and various types of stretching, as well as negative/pumping work are effective ways to stretch/tear the fascia.
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01-13-2006, 12:12 AM #34
U guys gotta read this man...
Pics of synthol abuse
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01-13-2006, 12:20 AM #35
nothing like a good ole' injection into the pecker with a few ml's of synthol. it definitately stretches that big bastard to the max everytime.
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01-13-2006, 12:31 AM #36Originally Posted by statuZ
Been discussed before, try this:
Synthol Oil Into Private Area...
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01-13-2006, 04:19 AM #37VET
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Originally Posted by cgb6810
actually this is a factor in size increases- not a good one.
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01-13-2006, 04:21 AM #38VET
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Originally Posted by marcus300
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01-13-2006, 04:28 AM #39Originally Posted by macrophage69alpha
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01-13-2006, 04:36 AM #40Originally Posted by marcus300
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