Can the pro's (not the 16y old teens) give input?

**johndope** · 06-11-2002, 07:23 AM

Guys

I am ready to do my 2nd cycle:

this is what i had in mind:

winny inject
wk 1 mo we fri su
wk 2 mo we fri su
wk 3 mo we fri su
wk 4 mo we fri su
wk 5 mo we fri su
wk 6 mo we fri su
wk 7 mo we fri su
wk 8 mo we fri su

sustanon :
wk 1 500
wk 2 500
wk 3 500
wk 4 750
wk 5 750
wk 6 500
wk 7 500
wk 8 500

current stats 238 lbs 6'3" 7 years training

looking for adding 22 lbs, of course nolva and clomid are included

please gimme some good input !

**Pete235** · 06-11-2002, 07:33 AM

Looks good to me except if I were you I would go @ 750mg/week of sust on weeks 1-2 instead of weeks 4-5. Frontload, see if the small concentration of prop in the sust will help kick start things a little.

**XBiker** · 06-11-2002, 07:37 AM

Originally posted by johndope
Guys

I am ready to do my 2nd cycle:

this is what i had in mind:

winny inject
wk 1 mo we fri su
wk 2 mo we fri su
wk 3 mo we fri su
wk 4 mo we fri su
wk 5 mo we fri su
wk 6 mo we fri su
wk 7 mo we fri su
wk 8 mo we fri su

sustanon :
wk 1 500
wk 2 500
wk 3 500
wk 4 750
wk 5 750
wk 6 500
wk 7 500
wk 8 500

current stats 238 lbs 6'3" 7 years training

looking for adding 22 lbs, of course nolva and clomid are included

please gimme some good input !

Lots of poking, but that's a good thing.

Winny part looks fine. Instead of keeping a rigid M W F Su, I would just go EOD. M-W-F-Su-T-Th-Sa-M, etc. Eight weeks is kinda pushing it with winny (IMO), but you know your body.

I am a little confused on the sustanon part. Why peak in the middle? Personally, I would front load the SUST at 750 for the first three weeks and then run it at 500.

Only thing I would add is some liquidex @ .5 MG EOD, and run it through your clomid therapy.

**johndope** · 06-11-2002, 07:37 AM

sounds good

u think the winny will do its work ok? and is my goal of 22 lbs realistic?

and @xbiker... tell me what is this liquidex? i couldnt find anything on it on ar.com

**Pete235** · 06-11-2002, 07:43 AM

Liquidex is the liquid form of arimidex .

**FLORIDA GATOR** · 06-11-2002, 07:53 AM

yea bro looks good!!!

***the original jason*** · 06-11-2002, 07:59 AM

like the other bros said 8 week is a long time for winnie in my opinion you would be better of doing 6 weeks at 50mg ed not eod for 8 weeks or even 5 weeks. Also would do as X says frontload the sus 750 weeks 1-3 then stay at 500 for the rest, maybe find a short acting to run on for the 2 weeks after u stop the sust to take u upto clomid time

peace

**johndope** · 06-11-2002, 08:11 AM

hey jason, u know i am still surprised to see u after all this time being so damn active over here.. do they pay u

everyone thx for input but keep em coming

**XBiker** · 06-11-2002, 08:58 AM

After looking at it again, this is how I would run it.

WK 1-3 750 Sust
WK 4-10 500 Sust

Wk 6-12 Winny 50 ED

Start clomid 1 week after last winny shot.

That would give you time for the sustanon to clear and will only give you a week with no AAS in your system. You could always switch to something short acting (like Prop) which will allow you to start your clomid even sooner.

I am fan of Sust, but I always stop it early and switch to a test with a much shorter half life to avoid and "down time" prior to clomid therapy.

**str82hellnback** · 06-11-2002, 09:25 AM

Hey what about an 18 year old teen?

**arthurb999** · 06-11-2002, 09:26 AM

Originally posted by XBiker
After looking at it again, this is how I would run it.

WK 1-3 750 Sust
WK 4-10 500 Sust

Wk 6-12 Winny 50 ED

Start clomid 1 week after last winny shot.

BINGO!

**johndope** · 06-11-2002, 09:36 AM

Originally posted by st82hellnbak
Hey what about an 18 year old teen?

only if u have done this cycle urself m8

**ironfist** · 06-11-2002, 12:30 PM

Originally posted by XBiker

Lots of poking, but that's a good thing.

Winny part looks fine. Instead of keeping a rigid M W F Su, I would just go EOD. M-W-F-Su-T-Th-Sa-M, etc. Eight weeks is kinda pushing it with winny (IMO), but you know your body.

I am a little confused on the sustanon part. Why peak in the middle? Personally, I would front load the SUST at 750 for the first three weeks and then run it at 500.

Only thing I would add is some liquidex @ .5 MG EOD, and run it through your clomid therapy.

Looks good to me...

**johndope** · 06-12-2002, 05:16 AM

can someone still give me some input on gains.. (yea i know nobody can tell...but i am just curious what u guys gained on a similar cycle)

**Iron horse** · 06-12-2002, 05:39 AM

if your smart about it, 20 keepable pounds approx. could be a bit more.

depends how hard you work.

***the original jason*** · 06-12-2002, 05:48 AM

hmm i would say 20 keepable pounds if far fetched even for a guess i would say 20lb gain then lose what u lose post cycle 5-10lbs usually. Also who are you ?? lol sorry bro so many people come and go I dont remember and no they dont pay me enough lol

peace

**johndope** · 06-12-2002, 06:06 AM

m8 i used to hang here back in da days

about a year ago a lot u and iron game and mike etc etc...

i dont blame ya on not remembering me but maybe u remember my pic i posted a while ago (and too bad u dont get paid :P)

ne way thx for all input