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    Hammerhead is ready to go again!

    Cycle 4 might kick off today. I'm thinking about it. My original plan was to wait and start in March. But I might go 3 weeks early and start today. My last cycle ended the last week of November 2002. The juice didn't clear my system until about the first week of January - so i've been completely off for about 5 weeks. It was an 8 week cycle - my last one. But it really was 12 weeks considering the juice takes 4 weeks or so to clear the system. I don't know how all that fits into the "time on = time off" rule. IMO it should count as 12 weeks on and 5 weeks off.

    I booked a vacation for early May. That means I need to start my cycle now if I want to be done with the juicing part of it by the time I go on my trip. That's the motivation for starting now. My other choices are to be sticking myself on vacation - or I could cut the cycle short. I don't really like either one of those options any more than I like the idea of starting now - with really not enough off-time. I've been bad about this. Both of my last 2 cycles were started a bit too early for much the same reasoning.

    So what's the big downside to starting early? Not enough off-time means receptors don't up-regulate enough to provide a basis for solid gains. Not enough off-time means the bodily functions don't get back to normal long enough to normalize.

    I've done the HCG /clomid/nolvadex therapy. I'm pretty sure the natural production is about normal now.

    Here it is:
    wk 1-10 sustenon 500 mg/wk taken in 4 shots of 1/2 vial each
    wk 1-10 equipoise 500 mg/wk taken in 5 shots of 100 mg (2 ml) each
    wk 1-3 Russian Dbols - starting at 7/day then down to 5/day
    wk 8-13 Winstrol 33 mg/day - 2 vials every 3 days in 3 shots
    wk 8-11? Deca - just enough to oil my joints to make up for the winnie
    wk 11-13 Primo - 350 mg/wk - 1 vial EOD - to harden and maintain gains

    Proviron , clomid, nolvadex, HCG, milk thistle, saw palmetto in the right ways. Blood pressure pills on-hand if needed (I have an Rx for them).

    I'd have to get more winstrol to up it to 50mg/day. I'm thinking with eq at 500mg/wk i'll be alright at 33mg/day.

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    The winny will hit faster and dry your joints out before the DECA even has a chance to take effect. Hell, the Deca will take 4 weeks to kick in, and your only running it for 3 weeks - so you do the math.

    I'd leave the DECA outta this one.

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    If you insist on running the Deca , do as GS said....maybe if you started it 3-4 weeks before you started Winny that would help...

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    its hammer time!

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    It's ON BABY !!!!!!

    Cycle 4 kicked off today yeeehaaa !!!!!

    Damn I feel like a kid on Christmas morning!

    I lost 20 lbs since my last cycle. I have alot of work to do to get back to where I was to start with - weight-wise - but most of that weight I took off was fat and i'm saying good ridance to it! I lost some muscle but not a whole lot. I'm going to be shredded one day. Maybe no time soon but i'm getting there.

    Here's a pic of my juice including a rubber band to keep the vials from rolling around on the top of my scanner.
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    Sounds like the deca is a waste huh? I've only done winnie once before and it punished my joints. I was thinking that deca would help out there. I cannot remember how long it took - but the one time I did deca my joints felt better than anytime in the last 20 years. I love it. I wish like hell there was an affordable cure for deca gyno. Anyway - I think this cycle I may just skip the winnie altogether.

    Glucosamine? Is that stuff any good? Is it effective enough to solve winstrol dry joints?

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    wk 8-11? Deca - just enough to oil my joints to make up for the winnie


    Why not run deca 1-10 at low dosage ? GS made a good point.
    Plus it will be in your system for another 3 weeks after the 10th week.

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    Deca gyno. I've only done deca once before - 500 mg/wk and by week 7 I was growing tits. I stopped the deca and did nolvadex but some of it never went away.

    I could take bromo/nolva to block the deca gyno but it isn't worth it.

    Is glucosamine strong enough to combat winstrol dry joints?? Has anyone out there found a non-deca solution to winstrol dry joints?

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    yah but you wont do 500mg this time keep it low like 200mg you probably wont get deca gyno, its just for the joints remeber.

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    except for the deca (like g.s.said) this cycle looks great.

    im glad youre recovered bro. i know you had a rough go of it there for awhile. keep a HUGE eye on yourself, ok? dont want you posting here with any serious sides.........

    peace bb79

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