Clen cycle for my 45 yr old dad...

**EarlyMuscles** · 11-09-2012, 03:57 PM

Ok so my dad has a nice big beer guy that he just can't seem to get rid of. I told him I can help him by puttin him on a Clen cycle. He will be taking Clen and keto but I'm not sure the doses for the keto and is it everyday at night? I'm starting him off at 20mcg of Clen a day and raise it gradually. He is also a smoker so I'm nervous about tht. How long can he run the Clen and keto for without him being at serious risk?

**Lunk1** · 11-09-2012, 04:03 PM

Why dont you help him with a diet...gallons of clen wont help if your woofing down big macs and bud lights!

**qscgugcsq** · 11-09-2012, 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

Why dont you help him with a diet...gallons of clen wont help if your woofing down big macs and bud lights!

That x2

**MuscleInk** · 11-09-2012, 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by EarlyMuscles

Ok so my dad has a nice big beer guy that he just can't seem to get rid of. I told him I can help him by puttin him on a Clen cycle. He will be taking Clen and keto but I'm not sure the doses for the keto and is it everyday at night? I'm starting him off at 20mcg of Clen a day and raise it gradually. He is also a smoker so I'm nervous about tht. How long can he run the Clen and keto for without him being at serious risk?

Seriously!?! Why do you think sticking compounds into your dad is the solution? Come on man, that's ridiculous. Fix his damn diet first. Stop looking for short cuts. Developing a nutrition and training plan is a hell of a lot healthier.

**JohnnyVegas** · 11-09-2012, 06:17 PM

I would start by helping him with a "less food and beer" cycle. He is still going to need to be in a calorie deficit to lose fat. Clen only helps a little bit.

If Clen was a miracle drug, no guy on this forum would be above 8% body fat.

**Bonaparte** · 11-09-2012, 06:26 PM

That's a great plan...if you're first in line for his life insurance payout.

**Shsm** · 11-09-2012, 06:44 PM

Originally Posted by Bonaparte

That's a great plan...if you're first in line for his life insurance payout.

**EarlyMuscles** · 11-09-2012, 08:00 PM

He has done a successful test prop In the past. He landscaped and I can tell you right now it's hard work and it tires out your body. His diet is alright he just has a gut and it won't go away. When I reffered to it as a "beer gut" I didn't mean he drinks beer all day and he's fat and lazy eating Big Macs all day so screw all you ignorant people who said crap like that. I'm just asking for a cycle recommendation with Clen and keto so if your not posting something involving that then Save your time because I don't care...

**Bonaparte** · 11-09-2012, 08:16 PM

Originally Posted by EarlyMuscles

He has done a successful test prop In the past. He landscaped and I can tell you right now it's hard work and it tires out your body. His diet is alright he just has a gut and it won't go away. When I reffered to it as a "beer gut" I didn't mean he drinks beer all day and he's fat and lazy eating Big Macs all day so screw all you ignorant people who said crap like that. I'm just asking for a cycle recommendation with Clen and keto so if your not posting something involving that then Save your time because I don't care...

Oh, well now we're inclined to help...
And you don't care that this will do far more harm than good to your father?

**Sworder** · 11-09-2012, 08:19 PM

Run the Keto(0.5-1mg) everyday, at night it makes you drowsy. Ramp the clen up to 100-120mcg and also you are going to want to increase the cigarettes as well. It's better for your cardiovascular system and works synergistically with the clen. Also, diet and cardio is overrated brother, clen will do the job on it's own. It's like magic, no that's too much... It's like a wish granted by a genie. Let us know his progress ok?

Oh yeah, fvck the ignorant people that are concerned for your fathers health!!

**diabolicsoul** · 11-09-2012, 08:24 PM

Originally Posted by EarlyMuscles

He has done a successful test prop In the past. He landscaped and I can tell you right now it's hard work and it tires out your body. His diet is alright he just has a gut and it won't go away. When I reffered to it as a "beer gut" I didn't mean he drinks beer all day and he's fat and lazy eating Big Macs all day so screw all you ignorant people who said crap like that. I'm just asking for a cycle recommendation with Clen and keto so if your not posting something involving that then Save your time because I don't care...

Perhaps if you stated this in your first post, people wouldn't have made these assumptions.

Now, Since apparently, everyone of us is assuming your dad eats big macs and drink beers all day. What is his caloric breakdown in a typical day? What kind of diets has he tried that would yield in fat loss?

Does your dad workout with weights? Why did he run test?

This is IMO, People should only use clen to aid in the last couple pounds. I would get your dad off clen right now, not next week. Right now.

**Lunk1** · 11-09-2012, 08:42 PM

Originally Posted by EarlyMuscles

He has done a successful test prop In the past. He landscaped and I can tell you right now it's hard work and it tires out your body. His diet is alright he just has a gut and it won't go away. When I reffered to it as a "beer gut" I didn't mean he drinks beer all day and he's fat and lazy eating Big Macs all day so screw all you ignorant people who said crap like that. I'm just asking for a cycle recommendation with Clen and keto so if your not posting something involving that then Save your time because I don't care...

Reread my post internet tuff guy! I said it won't help if you are doing those things BUT never once said or made the assumption that was the case with him. I'm not sure what you are expecting us to envision when you describe pops as having a beer gut. But since there is NO way I would recommed clen as a diet pill. It's much more of a finisher if anythying...so guess I will save my time. Tell pops good luck!

**Sworder** · 11-09-2012, 08:45 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

Reread my post internet tuff guy! I said it won't help if you are doing those things BUT never once said or made the assumption that was the case with him. I'm not sure what you are expecting us to envision when you describe pops as having a beer gut. But since there is NO way I would recommed clen as a diet pill. It's much more of a finisher if anythying...so guess I will save my time. Tell pops good luck!

I think we are dealing with a real life bad ass here Lunk1, tread carefully!!!

**JohnnyVegas** · 11-09-2012, 08:46 PM

Originally Posted by EarlyMuscles

He has done a successful test prop In the past. He landscaped and I can tell you right now it's hard work and it tires out your body. His diet is alright he just has a gut and it won't go away. When I reffered to it as a "beer gut" I didn't mean he drinks beer all day and he's fat and lazy eating Big Macs all day so screw all you ignorant people who said crap like that. I'm just asking for a cycle recommendation with Clen and keto so if your not posting something involving that then Save your time because I don't care...

Clen is not going to melt a ton of body fat off a 45 year old guy (I know, because I am 44). Whether his beer gut came from beer, Big Macs or eating too much fruit and vegetables it is still fat. Don't say his diet is alright if he has high body fat, that is just counter productive. If he wants to get back in shape and lose his gut, he needs to change his diet. That is the biggest step. Cardio would be the second biggest. Clen is going to be a small percentage.

You may think everyone here is just busting your chops, but I am in my forties and I had 36% body fat at the beginning of last year. I have used Clen in the past two years and I can tell you that it doesn't do that much. It is not magic and it isn't that easy. You need Clen, Keto, Taurine, lots of water, maybe Potassium, a restricted diet and increased cardio.

**Tron3219** · 11-09-2012, 08:50 PM

I have nothing to say here cuz it's already been said, I just had to come in here and see what got JOB all worked up lol

**JohnnyVegas** · 11-09-2012, 08:55 PM

Originally Posted by Tron3219

I have nothing to say here cuz it's already been said, I just had to come in here and see what got JOB all worked up lol

I was surprised by that as well!

**EarlyMuscles** · 11-09-2012, 09:51 PM

Alright Im sorry of my last post came off too strong. My dads diet consists of a lot of rice, corn, steak, chicken and vegetables. He ran the cycle of test prop for more LBM but it didn't effect his "beer gut". I was thinking of running the keto with the Clen so I can run the Clen at a lower dose avoiding or lowering some possible side affects for my dad. How long should he be able to run it for?

**Chx beach 79** · 11-09-2012, 09:55 PM

Honestly he needs to cut carbs and fat... Anyone can lose body fat regardless of age and genetics, if they bring there carbs and fats down low enough, then anyone can get lean.. Also if being ripped is his goal, then running 90 minutes a day everyday will shred you up in weeks not months! You just turn your body into a fat burning monster. When I do cardio regularly I can eat like crap and still lose bf... Good luck

**Lunk1** · 11-09-2012, 10:02 PM

Originally Posted by EarlyMuscles

Alright Im sorry of my last post came off too strong. My dads diet consists of a lot of rice, corn, steak, chicken and vegetables. He ran the cycle of test prop for more LBM but it didn't effect his "beer gut". I was thinking of running the keto with the Clen so I can run the Clen at a lower dose avoiding or lowering some possible side affects for my dad. How long should he be able to run it for?

I just dont think this is a good idea at all. Clen at high BF% is not very effective and dangerous! Not joking. Help him by making his diet better than "alright"!

AD · 11-09-2012, 10:06 PM

i think at 45 yrs old, there is a risk that your dad may suffer a cardiac complication if he takes clen at a dose high enough to help him lose fat. might be safer to just stick to dieting and cardio like everyone said. if you're really certain you want to go with clen, have him cleared by a cardiologist first.

**Lunk1** · 11-09-2012, 10:08 PM

I have had a bottle of liquid clen in my drawer for nearly 2 years...tried it for a few weeks and said screw it! Wont use it again but can't figure out why I have not tossed it lol

**Shsm** · 11-09-2012, 10:10 PM

Originally Posted by Lunk1

I have had a bottle of liquid clen in my drawer for nearly 2 years...tried it for a few weeks and said screw it! Wont use it again but can't figure out why I have not tossed it lol

Sell it to the Mexicans at your gym. It will improve their worth ethic in the hot sun. Ay dios mio...

**Lunk1** · 11-09-2012, 10:13 PM

Originally Posted by Shsm

Sell it to the Mexicans at your gym

NOT a bad idea!!! Although I am sure they have better access to more effective weight loss supplements

**MuscleInk** · 11-09-2012, 10:26 PM

Originally Posted by EarlyMuscles

He has done a successful test prop In the past. He landscaped and I can tell you right now it's hard work and it tires out your body. His diet is alright he just has a gut and it won't go away. When I reffered to it as a "beer gut" I didn't mean he drinks beer all day and he's fat and lazy eating Big Macs all day so screw all you ignorant people who said crap like that. I'm just asking for a cycle recommendation with Clen and keto so if your not posting something involving that then Save your time because I don't care...

Fantastic attitude. Load him up with all the crap you want then. Heaven for bid someone would actually want to invest some genuine hard work into their own health. It's called a WORKout for a reason. He's not my father so why should I care. At 18, I'm sure you've got life all figured out boy. You won't find any better information than the knowledge in this forum, but with that attitude, what you might find, is yourself shit out of luck and no one willing to help.

**JohnnyVegas** · 11-10-2012, 12:49 AM

Not sure how many calories your dad needs, but i have diets at 2100 and 1800 calories that I used to lose a lot of fat.

**Lunk1** · 11-10-2012, 12:52 AM

Originally Posted by JohnnyVegas

Not sure how many calories your dad needs, but i have diets at 2100 and 1800 calories that I used to lose a lot of fat.

Toss me those JV.....I think 2100 would suit me very well right now!

**Until_It_Sleeps** · 11-10-2012, 02:01 AM

So what you're saying is you hate your father and want us to help you kill him? I don't know dude, sounds sorta illegalish.

I can speak from experience: using clen when you have normal-to-high bodyfat will get you ZERO RESULTS. I've done it, many times. Gotten up to over 20% bf and thought I'd dip into my bottle of liquid clen to jump start me a bit...NOTHING. Did the work with diet and cardio, got down to below 15% and started on the clen again, from the same bottle - RESULTS!

Clen is not for overweight people looking to slim down, or for average people who want to look good on the beach. It is for serious athletes/bodybuilders who are looking to get competition lean.

Why not ask for a diet and workout plan for your dad? Or, better yet, encourage him to seek help on his own?

**EarlyMuscles** · 11-10-2012, 07:57 AM

What do you guys think about him going on lower dosed gw501516

**austinite** · 11-10-2012, 08:00 AM

Originally Posted by EarlyMuscles

What do you guys think about him going on lower dosed gw501516

Just tell your dad to sign up and join the forums.

**EarlyMuscles** · 11-10-2012, 08:04 AM

Originally Posted by austinite

Just tell your dad to sign up and join the forums.

He's very Brazilian and he can't really write in English so I just do it for him

**Lunk1** · 11-10-2012, 08:18 AM

Why are you choosing to dismiss the large # of knowledgable members and instead opt for some quick fix magic pill! FIX HIS DIET!!!!!

**EarlyMuscles** · 11-10-2012, 08:19 AM

I told you guys his diet really isn't that bad. He just always had a gut even when the scale says he lost weight!!

**austinite** · 11-10-2012, 08:21 AM

Originally Posted by EarlyMuscles

I told you guys his diet really isn't that bad. He just always had a gut even when the scale says he lost weight!!

I doubt it. You should post everything he eats in a typical day with macronutrients and I will prove this to you.

**Lunk1** · 11-10-2012, 08:22 AM

NO! You said his diet is "alright". Why dont you post his stats, check his BF% and post his entire diet? This NEEDS to happen no matter what diet drug you try to feed him. NOTHING works without it!

Don't you work out? You should know all of this!

**austinite** · 11-10-2012, 08:23 AM

This thread isn't going anywhere.

See yall.

**EarlyMuscles** · 11-10-2012, 08:24 AM

Yes I do lift all the time, 5 days a week and I do know most of this. This post was a waste of time none of you really help you just contradict everything people say...sad

**Until_It_Sleeps** · 11-10-2012, 08:24 AM

Can't lose gut = carrying excess bodyfat. He could be losing muscle weight, especially if his diet sucks, which I'll bet it does.

What's his workout routine? How long has he been lifting? Let me guess...he doesn't go to a gym?

**Until_It_Sleeps** · 11-10-2012, 08:36 AM

I would laugh so hard my bowels would explode if I were to pick up one of the bodybuilding mags and read the parts where the pros' diets were posted and all they said was "Oh, my diet's really not that bad" or "I eat pretty good most of the time."

Also, my mom is about 40 lbs overweight and she exercises like all the time, man...I was thinking of getting her some DNP cuz like I hear it works and you guys should all be helpful to me in this little venture.

I hope when I'm older my kids will be trying to score me drugs on the internet!

**Lunk1** · 11-10-2012, 08:45 AM

Originally Posted by EarlyMuscles

Yes I do lift all the time, 5 days a week and I do know most of this. This post was a waste of time none of you really help you just contradict everything people say...sad

This post was a great help...if you opened your damn eyes. Noibody contridicted ANYTHING! As a matter of fact...the ALL have said the EXACT same thing. It's just contadicting to what you want to hear. MY LAST POST HERE! Hope your pops isn't this frustrated with you!