fIRST CYCLE... pleas help

**MikedaMan57** · 05-08-2003, 09:26 AM

ok... i am 20 years old... always worked out hard... always been strong
i am 243lbs and 5'10'' very thick with alot of fat especially around the waist.
my biceps are 17 inches flexed at their biggest point... i can curl plates on a straight bar for 5 with no swing or lean at all.

i have a 38 inch waist... its not as much of a gut as u would think though.. just very soft.. not alot of muscle underneath either

and my chest is very big but I havent measured it for a while
i have recently benched 315lbs for 10
i have squated 450 for 4... i have huge legs... but they r fatty... they r also short... i would liek to see them thinner... my ass is huge

I have pretty strong shoulders as well...

back is a little weak but ive been workign it hard and seeing progress

i have avoided steroids until now but i just think it is the right move for me.

heres what i would like... i would like to wind up at 215lbs with some abdominal definition and the same strength i have right now.

I do not want to get a bloated look
and i obviously want my losses after the cycle to be minimal....

i do not want to take another...

im really trying to hit the stuff hard enough to get a couple of nice pipes in my arms and some abdominal definition

i want one good cycle (under 800 dollars between september 1st and christmas or january through march...no more than 10 weeks) that i can lose alot of fat on

i am prob not starting the cycle till september... goign back to school... im looking to go back at as low weight as possible...
any advice on a cycle if i go back at 235???

also... please inform me of any other precautionary things i should take to protect myself while doing this cycle... i greatly appreciate any help... thanx...

**Madmax** · 05-08-2003, 09:33 AM

your not ready to cycle, at your age you will loose the fat by cardio and diet...Madmax

**OGPackin** · 05-08-2003, 09:40 AM

Hey bro, like MM said ur not really ready yet for AS. Best thing to do is get rid of as much of the excess bf as u can and then maybe u'll be ready. AS is not a weight loss drug. U have to eat allot but clean in order to grow. Ur only 20, u have plenty of time. Good luck!

OG

**MikedaMan57** · 05-08-2003, 09:40 AM

ok... lets say i get down to 220 by september...

**TxOxXxIxC** · 05-08-2003, 09:53 AM

Loose your fat first, Since Cycles will only make u bigger then there for it will be harder for u to become CUT..
read this if u need help on loosing a bit of fat.

http://www.basskilleronline.com/fatl...beginners.html

http://www.fitren.com/res3art.cfm?compid=18&artid=46

**MikedaMan57** · 05-08-2003, 05:25 PM

ok... thank for ur help guys... do u think someone could post a cycle for me... not trying to get too humongous... if i get down to 215 eventually... i know its alot of weight, but i have lost more that 30 pounds in a month before and i am looking to lose this (in a better way without losing as much muscle) in about 4 months... im just trying to plan everythign out far in advance because of money and time restraints

**MikedaMan57** · 05-09-2003, 02:24 PM

please

***JohnnyB*** · 05-09-2003, 02:31 PM

Bro your hgh and test are at their highest point, if you can't acomplish your goal now with diet and excersise gear isn't going to help. You have 2-3 years to get your b/f down and add some mass naturally.

JohnnyB

**fighter0728** · 05-09-2003, 02:40 PM

I know everyone says not to do AS until your older but how about clen ? You dont have to wait until your older to do clen right? This guy could burn off some serious fat if he does a lot of cardio, watches what he eats and does clen. And by the way you will get at least a little bit of a bloated look from doing AS. You can lesten it by using other supplements but you probably will look bloated.