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04-28-2013, 04:41 AM #1
Starting up test 400 & deca this is my 2nd time doing juice
Hey Guys,
This is my 2nd time doing steroids . Heres the facts for you so you get a better understanding of me.
27yrs old,
5'6
155lbs
25% body fat
2nd time now cycling
Started training hard in Aug 2011 till now currently which is 2yrs training now
plan pct=nolvadex , clomid, hcg end of 3month cycle.
Goals:Gain 15pounds solid lean muscle shred down to 10% body fat minimum at end of 3months cycle.
Ok now heres the story with the facts:
In Aug of 2011 I got ridiculously fat (I HAVE ATTACHED BFRE AND AFTER PIC)(I HOPE IT UPLOADED WITH THIS)
the worst I have ever been. I started working out in Aug 01 2011 in sept I started my first ever steroid cycle which my friend convinced me steroids would help my fat loss and muscle gain goals.
So sept 4th 2011 I got injected with Test 350 and Deca Durabolin . It was 1/4cc of Deca with 1/2cc Test 350. I gradually increased the shots to intervals of 1/4cc for deca and doubled the amount of test (so if deca was 1cc test was 2cc) to reach a total of 2cc deca and 4cc test 350.(Just so we clear I was injecting 2-3ml syringes in each muscle group...ex: bicep shot days, both bi's would get injected with the same amount) so each syringe had 1 cc deca and 2cc test 350. I did that every 4days from Sept to Jan 2012. In the beginning of Jan I added EQ to the stack. I increased with EQ starting at 1/4cc to each needle, and decreased the deca to make room for the EQ. I was on Test, Deca, and EQ for 2.5months each syringe holding 3/4cc Deca, 3/4cc EQ, 1.5cc Test 350. I did that till April. From there I ended my deca cycle and went on with EQ and Test 350 till June 1st. I didnt wind down on the EQ or Test and just stopped the whole cycle. I didnt start my PCT till about 3 weeks after. I took nolvadex only in July and did that for 3 weeks. In Aug went for my test/estrogen/sperm check and everything was still low and estrogen very high. I then started taking Nolvadex and Clomid and Hcg for 6 weeks and everything went back to normal. I did 9months of straight juice and never took time off.
Now lets back track a bit... In Jan 2012 i went for body waxing (im a hairy guy) about a week later from body waxing I broke out in Acne MASSIVELY all over my body. Mainly my chest shoulders and back. I have scars from the acne and have been battling that since then. I am on 40mg of Accutane and just now I am seeing results from the accutane working. I didnt start the accutane till June 2012. Coming close to a year of Accutane now.
My questions (not in order of importance) now that you have all the details.
1) I am going to start back up now with Test 400 and Deca. I am starting with only 1-3ml syringe holding 1/4cc deca and 1/2cc test 400. is that ok to do?
2) is it ok to take accutane while i start up? i still have a little of of acne thats going away, should i even start or wait ( i dont want to wait as summer is coming up and i wanna be in shape for my gf bday which is end of may)
3) whats the best way to cycle up?
4) should i even do test 400 or stick with 300/350?
5) i want to do EQ test and Deca how should i stack them
6) whats the best way to cycle on and off for max results.
7) Whats the max amount of test and deca n eq i should get up to in a 3ml syringe?
8) whats the total max of amount of any of the 3 i should take.
9) how often should i be injecting test 400 and deca in a week and how many cc of each.
i want to be at 8% bf and weight at 165lbs of lean muscle end of my 3month cycle so starting may 1st and done Aug 1st.
I had more questions but i cant remember now... ill add too if i can remember.
THE BEFORE PICTURE- Sept 04, 2011
THE AFTER PICTURE - April 29, 2012
any suggestions and help is truly appreciated. thanks for reading and the advise guys. much respect!
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04-28-2013, 04:44 AM #2
Don't take steroids just eat fella
Eat eat and eat
Ignore this I didn't see you were 5 foot 6Last edited by panntastic; 04-28-2013 at 04:48 AM.
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Wow, could you simplify what your basic question is?
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04-28-2013, 05:12 AM #4
I would still check out diet and up the intake . And in my opinion I would try to shed some more bf before cycle.. Need to realize the higher bf % the bigger chance of sides .. Just my opinion there buddy shedding and eat eat
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04-28-2013, 05:19 AM #5
You wanna lose 25lbs fat and gain 30lbs of muscle in 3 months?
NO SOURCES GIVEN
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04-28-2013, 05:23 AM #6
A lot of these questions you would find answers to if you do your research. If your not even sure how many ml/cc to take or proper way to cycle up you should do more research and know everything before you do any AAS. And your gonna run hcg at end of cycle? Hcg needs to be run during cycle along with an AI
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04-28-2013, 09:15 AM #7
Head to the diet section and learn to eat better so in a year when you cycle you can keep more of it and not less.
Cycle now and lose everything you gain in 4 months after. Or wait a year and hope to hold onto 10 lbs
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04-28-2013, 09:16 AM #8Junior Member
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5'6 155 lbs 25% bf
Leave aas alone go to nutrition forum.
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04-28-2013, 09:28 AM #9New Member
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Do you have any bloodwork to know where you're sitting?
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04-28-2013, 10:05 AM #10
Bro, do not refer to your doses in CCs. This means nothing as the gear could be 250mg/ml or 400mg/ml. Speak in terms of mg. It will make life easier for you and anyone trying to help you.
Also, why were you tapering up? No need to do that.
You were taking 4cc of test 350? Talk about overkill. No need for nearly 1.5 grams of test in a first cycle... not to mention you were also running deca and eq (doses unknown as you just refer to it in ml).
You ran gear for 9 months straight (high doses at that) and you are sitting at 155 pounds and 25% body fat? Did you completely stop working out after your first cycle or what?
You need to spend a lot more time researching. The questions that you are posing and the cycle that you completed (and half assed pct) show that you do not have the knowledge required to cycle safely and maximize and retain gains.
I have to agree that you need to hit the nutrition section and make sure you have a sound diet first.
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